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eridani

(51,907 posts)
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 06:34 AM Jun 2014

Charles Pierce: The Bowtied Monster (George Will)


http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/24162-the-bowtied-monster-george-will

n 1977, while awarding him that year's prize in distinguished commentary, the Pulitzer committee said about George F. Will that he was "at home with a wide variety of topics, from international relations, campaigns, and urban problems to the history of machine guns and the vagaries of the press." This was before Will was recognized as the thoroughgoing disgrace to the craft of journalism that he is, before we knew that he was a working advisor to the Reagan campaign in 1980 while masquerading as an independent observer in his column and for ABC. It was before he proved himself to be a big old 'ho for the crooked Conrad Black. It was before he proved himself to be a smug, petulant dilettante who is willing to flirt with racism -- Go back and study his coverage of the Jesse Jackson campaign in 1988 -- and who is willing to throw himself whole hog into climate change denialism, and, now, today, at Hiatt's House Of Hacks, George Will is someone who has nothing better to do than mock the current movement on America's campuses to try and cope with the problems of rape and sexual assault, and trolling its victims while jacking it into his dogeared copy of Bartlett's. For laughs.
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Charles Pierce: The Bowtied Monster (George Will) (Original Post) eridani Jun 2014 OP
Nailed him! pinboy3niner Jun 2014 #1
The bowtied pile of s*@# fits him better than monster. nt brer cat Jun 2014 #2
Besides that, I always found him creepy. txwhitedove Jun 2014 #3
Jimmy Carter has had that shitheel pegged for years, now. nt MADem Jun 2014 #4
not too many people know this maindawg Jun 2014 #5
Does his head spin around too? davidpdx Jun 2014 #17
hey, Charlie borrowed my word without citing me Doctor_J Jun 2014 #6
He's the neighbor I'd never let my kids near tularetom Jun 2014 #7
In the 1970's I was an airline ticket agent SheilaT Jun 2014 #8
Actually.... zentrum Jun 2014 #10
Especially how he's behaving around SheilaT Jun 2014 #21
He only... zentrum Jun 2014 #22
I actually hope to do so someday. SheilaT Jun 2014 #25
Your experience zentrum Jun 2014 #26
I had not thought of it that way. But you're right. It's part of the story of how working class SheilaT Jun 2014 #27
That's oral history. zentrum Jun 2014 #28
Once, for a sociology class, SheilaT Jun 2014 #29
Ya gotta write it! zentrum Jun 2014 #30
Different work groups would have different worklore. SheilaT Jun 2014 #32
Romney's and Obama's very different behavior toward the "little people"-- tblue37 Jun 2014 #31
Add his claims that the Tea Party was not part of the GOP. JoePhilly Jun 2014 #9
The invaluable Charlie Pierce, on target yet again. (nt) Paladin Jun 2014 #11
His first wife claimed Will was a teenage pipe bomber. GreatCaesarsGhost Jun 2014 #12
a man that laughs/makes fun of or belittles rape is a small minded man at best. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2014 #13
He's been teetering on the edge for years Fuddnik Jun 2014 #14
Will has always wanted to be Wm. F. Buckley. WinkyDink Jun 2014 #15
He's a shallow piece of crap.. Charlie Pierce has Will's number. mountain grammy Jun 2014 #16
The Bowtied Monster? DeSwiss Jun 2014 #18
He'd earn that title just for inspiring Tucker Carlson, much less his actual ills JHB Jun 2014 #23
K&R. Well said. Overseas Jun 2014 #19
The dismissal of Jesse Jackson on cable shows really opened my eyes on the alleged 'liberal' media. freshwest Jun 2014 #20
George Will's rape column decried the new federal college rating system because it might msanthrope Jun 2014 #24
I will link to the post you think will cause "shits and giggles". Edited to refer to your PM today. madfloridian Oct 2014 #33
Well, I think Will agrees with you on this sentiment: msanthrope Oct 2014 #34
 

maindawg

(1,151 posts)
5. not too many people know this
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 07:57 AM
Jun 2014

but George Will has a pole in his ass that goes right into his brain ! That is why he cannot turn his head.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
6. hey, Charlie borrowed my word without citing me
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 08:00 AM
Jun 2014

Glenbeckistan.

Kr for someone finally taking on Poindexter

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
8. In the 1970's I was an airline ticket agent
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 08:28 AM
Jun 2014

in Washington DC, and in the years I worked there I saw and waited on many Politicos.

At the time George Will's mother lived in a city we flew to so I saw him a couple of times when he came in to meet her. He was simply the crabbiest human being I'd ever met. Just not very pleasant at all.

I know this isn't a profound insight, but I can still see all too clearly his sour, self-involved expression.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
21. Especially how he's behaving around
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 10:56 AM
Jun 2014

people who are more or less invisible to him, such as an airline ticket agent.

Over the years I saw or waited on lots of politicians and other public figures. I will say that the very nicest one ever was Jay Rockefeller. He had a somewhat complicated change to make in a multi-part ticket, back when they were still all written by hand. He came up to the counter by himself, explained what was happening, and behaved like some otherwise ordinary citizen while I changed his reservation and rewrote the ticket. I'm so sorry he never had a serious run for President.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
22. He only...
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 05:19 PM
Jun 2014

...would have better than Reagan or Bush 1. But I'll never trust a Rockefeller. Scratch one and you get Mitt Romney.

Nice observation though. Hope you write your memoirs.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
25. I actually hope to do so someday.
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 06:03 PM
Jun 2014

I worked from January, 1969 to August, 1979. It was the best possible time, in my opinion, to have worked. We were decently paid. Flights were rarely full and so it was possible to non-rev (fly for free as an airline employee) most of the time. I also worked for a small airline where I had far better travel benefits than if I'd worked for one of the big ones. I took full advantage of the travel benefits, and I'm very glad I did. Oh. And we were almost always boarded in First Class. Nice.

I will say that my memoirs would only touch a little on the well-known people I encountered, although they would be included. I'd like to try to convey a sense of what that job was like. It was brutally difficult in many ways, and it got a lot harder after deregulation. These days it's much worse than when I worked, and because flights are always full the employees who want to travel can't do so, certainly not in the way I could. I would never recommend the job to anyone these days.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
26. Your experience
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 08:11 PM
Jun 2014

...stands for a much bigger story about work in America and the plight of working middle class people. Hope you'll give it a try because you describe the non-measurable quality of relationships between people in general and between (some) employers and employees back in our very brief golden age: 1950 until Reagan. Life was more livable and that's hard to describe, but stories like yours capture some of it. ^^

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
27. I had not thought of it that way. But you're right. It's part of the story of how working class
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 10:42 PM
Jun 2014

people were part of the middle class. We really were working class, passing for middle class because we wore shirts and ties, dresses for the women. We didn't get our hands dirty, although we were shift workers. It was the golden age. We sort of knew it even then. One of my co-workers said more than once that no matter how hard the job was (and it was often very hard) so long as he wore a shirt and tie to work he knew he had it good. His perspective helped me understand what we had.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
28. That's oral history.
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 08:37 PM
Jun 2014

That's what working people have---mostly only oral history. Their lore and spirit. Studs Turkel would love it.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
29. Once, for a sociology class,
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 12:13 PM
Jun 2014

I said that we airline employees would gather in bars late, after work, and share our worklore with each other. In many ways the stories we told each other involved archetypes and such.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
30. Ya gotta write it!
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 06:05 PM
Jun 2014

Or co-write it. Or group-write it. Start a blog for the lore and wisdom of working people. Or maybe it already exists and you could add on. I have to research this myself 'cause I'd like to read it.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
32. Different work groups would have different worklore.
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 06:31 PM
Jun 2014

But maybe that's the approach I should take to my memoir, treat it as worklore.

Several years ago I tried writing it and it was truly awful. I was too smugly inside the experience to shape it in any sort of interesting way. Perhaps I should try it as fiction.

tblue37

(65,357 posts)
31. Romney's and Obama's very different behavior toward the "little people"--
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 06:23 PM
Jun 2014

toward those who served them their food and drink--had something to do with the willingness of a server to use his phone to videotape Romney's 47% remark. I remember reading that the guy who taped Romney was offended by his snooty, dismissive attitude. Obama, on the other hand, is often seen smiling at and shaking hands and chatting with doormen, wait staff, etc.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
9. Add his claims that the Tea Party was not part of the GOP.
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 08:38 AM
Jun 2014

He told that lie for the first 2 years of the Tea party's existence.

GreatCaesarsGhost

(8,584 posts)
12. His first wife claimed Will was a teenage pipe bomber.
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 08:51 AM
Jun 2014

Blew up an outhouse and a teacher's car. IIRC.

Source: "The Clothes Have No Emperor" by Paul Slansky

Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
14. He's been teetering on the edge for years
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 09:14 AM
Jun 2014

He finally fell off the cliff.

He's always been one first class asshole.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
20. The dismissal of Jesse Jackson on cable shows really opened my eyes on the alleged 'liberal' media.
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 06:24 PM
Jun 2014
I voted for Jackson in the primary, then saw the talking heads act like he wasn't even there, after having achieved that standing with the voters. They were dissing many of us who wanted progress.

Appreciate Pierce bringing up his Reagan con, Conrad Black and Jesse in this piece. To hell with George Will then and now!


 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
24. George Will's rape column decried the new federal college rating system because it might
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 05:36 PM
Jun 2014

include stats on violence that had been derived from "capacious" definitions of sexual assault:



Combine this with capacious definitions of sexual assault that can include not only forcible sexual penetration but also nonconsensual touching. Then add the doctrine that the consent of a female who has been drinking might not protect a male from being found guilty of rape. Then comes costly litigation against institutions that have denied due process to males they accuse of what society considers serious felonies.

Now academia is unhappy about DOE’s plan for government to rate every institution’s educational product. But the professors need not worry. A DOE official says this assessment will be easy: “It’s like rating a blender.” Education, gadgets — what’s the difference?



For shits and giggles, if a DUer wanted to see who else on DU is decrying this new rating system, and blaming the President, the Secretary of Education, and the DOE, they could google the phrase I have bolded in the helpful little box up at the right that admin has provided.

To the Jury...it's not against the TOS to refer to prior postings....the admin gave us a helpful little search box to do so.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
33. I will link to the post you think will cause "shits and giggles". Edited to refer to your PM today.
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 03:08 PM
Oct 2014
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5004676

This post was from May. Your PM today referred to it and said that I would be quoted in your new post whether I responded or not. I never read George Will's post about rape. My post was about academics not rape or violence. I do not think reports on rape and violence should be kept secret, but they should be separate from academic performance reports.

This is a stretch I think.

You said:

For shits and giggles, if a DUer wanted to see who else on DU is decrying this new rating system, and blaming the President, the Secretary of Education, and the DOE, they could google the phrase I have bolded in the helpful little box up at the right that admin has provided.

To the Jury...it's not against the TOS to refer to prior postings....the admin gave us a helpful little search box to do so.


Yep that's me and lots of others join me in protesting the way schools and colleges are being "graded" and "evaluated."

So go ahead and have your "shits and giggles". The new intense education reforms are opposed by many on both left and right. That is no secret. I try to mind my business here, I do not attack others. But I will speak up in my own defense.
 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
34. Well, I think Will agrees with you on this sentiment:
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 05:20 PM
Oct 2014


I do not think reports on rape and violence should be kept secret, but they should be separate from academic performance reports.


Really? I find this viewpoint abhorrent, madflo. It allows administrators to escape responsibility for how women and minorities are treated on their campuses....and still get federal funding. Are you really advocating that places that are unsafe for women should get rewarded by retaining their ability to offer student loans?

President Obama's reform would take away money from campuses that do little about racial violence, sexual assault, and hazing. That's a damn good thing, and any Democrat should be proud of that.
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