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http://www.salon.com/2014/06/11/theres_nothing_left_to_argue_no_fact_or_tragedy_will_change_any_minds_but_heres_what_will/Brandi Wilson, left, and her daughter Trisha, right, embrace Trish Hall, a mother waiting for her student in Wood Village, Ore., after a shooting at Reynolds High School, June 10, 2014, in nearby Troutdale. (Credit: AP/Troy Wayrynen)
To the people of Troutdale, Oregon, I am so very sorry about what happened. I was at lunch when my fellow journalists started looking at their phones, shaking their heads.
By one reckoning, this is the 74th school shooting since the December 2012 murders in Newtown, Connecticut.
There are so many school shootings that their numbers have started to resemble what the USDA calls Food Defect Action Levels, which establish how many insect fragments and larvae and rodent hairs can be in a can of peaches before anyone is required to do anything about it. There actually is an official acceptable amount of rodent feces for a bag of corn meal or cocoa powder, and its starting to feel like theres some number of school shooting deaths per month that our society finds tolerable.
Which is crazy. I know that.
I live in Connecticut, which seemed for most of my life like a very safe (and slightly boring) place. But we began the decade with nine dead in a mass shooting at a beer distributorship east of Hartford. And then came Newtown.
***read the end for a great little story.
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)Hoppy
(3,595 posts)Last edited Thu Jun 12, 2014, 06:30 PM - Edit history (1)
Especially when you have a complete and utter asshole like "Joe the Plumber" arguing that a parent's grief doesn't trump is 2nd Amendment rights.
This is all about money..... money from gun manufacturers.
Ms. Toad
(34,069 posts)I opened the thread thinking it might offer an effective idea or two - but no such luck.
Ineeda
(3,626 posts)it's Sandy Hook, not Hood, and I believe you meant 2nd amendment, right? not the 4th, which protects against illegal search and seizure. Other than that, I agree about "Joe the Asshole". (We know he's not a plumber, but is, indeed, an asshole.)
Hoppy
(3,595 posts)so I was typing fast and not accurately.
mgardener
(1,816 posts)Why can't Democrats make gun control the 'issue' like republicans have made abortion???
Why can't we have red line in the sand?
When we stand up and say enough is enough???
How many more must die?
MsLeopard
(1,265 posts)The conversation in both parties is controlled by those with money and power. IMO....
Jerry442
(1,265 posts)...except there's very little bread and we in the 99% are the unwilling gladiators in the gruesome and bloody circuses.
It's time to come to grips with the fact that major institutions in this country are enablers, if not active promoters of these insane acts of violence. I believe they do that because they benefit from pitting we 99 percenters against each other.
We can do our best to lance the boils one at a time, but we need to cure the systemic infection that causes them, and the first step is to recognize that it exists.
Jeff In Milwaukee
(13,992 posts)The sentiment against banning handguns is growing in this country. Back in the late 1960's, only about 35-40% (depending on the poll) opposed a ban on handguns. The most recent polls show an astounding 74% who are against the idea of banning handguns. Even a ban on military-style weapons with detachable magazines polls only around 50% in favor -- and that's a drop from 80% in favor back in the early 1990's.
So banning guns is an uphill slog and it's getting worse.
One interesting thing, though, is that when a poll question is stated generically as "Do you favor increased gun control" the most recent polls show about 55% of Americans in favor and 45% opposed (again, I'm averaging and rounding from multiple surveys). But when the specific question is asked, "Do you favor requiring background checks for all gun purchases" the approval jumps to 80% or more. Other specific measures, like increasing the penalties for "straw man" purchases also receive approval rates of 70% or more.
It's sort of like the Affordable Care Act. People don't like Obamacare but they like all of its specific features.