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1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 05:22 PM Jun 2014

Want Democrats to win in 2014 ...

This article provides a prescription.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2014/06/12/cantor-loss-a-wake-up-call-for-democrats/?hpid=z3
This:

Terry McAuliffe lost the white vote by 20 percentage points, yet he became governor of Virginia by three points because African American voters came out in an off-year election (2013) in the same proportion they did in the 2012 presidential race.

If blacks were to replicate that feat in this fall’s critical Senate races, Democrats could hang on to the chamber
. As The Post’s Aaron Blake reported in April, three states with the highest black populations — Louisiana, North Carolina and Arkansas — “are widely considered to be the most pivotal when it comes to the GOP’s hopes of winning the majority. These three races are expected to be the difference between a GOP majority and a Democratic majority — at least the way things look right now.”


combined with, and in the context of, this:

Democrats love the president (75 percent), but barely half of them (51 percent) said they were “absolutely certain” to vote in November. African Americans in particular love Obama (75 percent). Yet just 49 percent of them said they were “absolutely certain” to show up at the midterms.


If, nothing else, should suggest that Democrats should focus on what Black folks are saying is important to them.

For example, Black folks ARE saying that JOB CREATION is important to them; they ARE saying the RACIAL EQUITY is important to them; they ARE saying that INJUSTICE in the justice system is important to them; they ARE saying that URBAN OPPORTUNITY is important to them. They have NOT/are NOT expressed/are NOT expressing much concern with the NSA, TTP, Keystone, violations of individual privacy rights, legalization of marijuana, or most of the other "really, really important issues" that appear on DU pages. In short, they ARE saying that they supportive of what President Obama is saying/doing; and are at odds with those that are perpetually "holding his feet to the fire" on issues that are far less important to them.

I am not saying that the former should be the only issues campaigned on, to the exclusion of the latter; rather, I am saying that Democrats would benefit from taking a page from the republican handbook and focus on the most ardent and reliable segment of its base in the 2014.

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Want Democrats to win in 2014 ... (Original Post) 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 OP
I agree with this article fully. bravenak Jun 2014 #1
Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #2
I think they think since he is president the black vote is assured. bravenak Jun 2014 #6
the black vote is assured for most Dems IF they go out and vote JI7 Jun 2014 #9
Exactly. They vote dem if you get them to vote. bravenak Jun 2014 #10
What? Not the NSA violating the 4th Amendment, or ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #11
If there is such love for Obama, how about doing the little thing he wants from you...a single vote. Fred Sanders Jun 2014 #3
Agreed ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #5
the thing is people don't make that connection but it helped that McCauliffe ran on Obamacare JI7 Jun 2014 #8
Every Dem in NC should be screaming about expanded medicaid.... AlbertCat Jun 2014 #14
Plus a million to all of that! freshwest Jun 2014 #4
this is exactly it, much of getting the vote is just getting people to get out there and vote JI7 Jun 2014 #7
Agreed, 100%. sheshe2 Jun 2014 #12
And this has been true for many elections. Look at the elections of many black majors across the jwirr Jun 2014 #13
Absolutely ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #15
I am poor white so I hear you. The issues that you first mentioned come first with me and most of jwirr Jun 2014 #16
I agree, though ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #17
Good point I was not aware of that. jwirr Jun 2014 #18
The problem that I have with the "secret" negotiations ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #19
 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
1. I agree with this article fully.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 05:28 PM
Jun 2014

We need to shore up our base and not take reliable voters for granted. Vote must be earned and trying to fear of loss the base does not bring them to the polls. We need to have a message that will resonate broadly, not just to a small segment of voters. People are worried about money and their future, and are much less concerned with non essential issues if you can't pay you're phone bill while working two jobs, you have no need to worry about the nsa or weed. You have no money.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
2. Well ...
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 05:39 PM
Jun 2014

Weed? Maybe ... self-medication is big in impoverished communities.

But you're correct ... Worrying about the NSA is listening in on your telephone calls, or that the TPP is being negotiated in secret runs a distant 10th to concerns of whether you can maintain a roof over your family's head and food in their belly. The causes of utmost importance to DUers are luxuries of thought that the vast majority of working class folks are most unconcerned with.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
6. I think they think since he is president the black vote is assured.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 05:48 PM
Jun 2014

I think ignoring peoples interests will make them ignore you. Maybe weed, but you forget that unlike me, many did not spend any time in a middle to upper middle class neighborhood, i think kore do than don't but the people most affected are the poor. I have gotten pulled over, no license, weed in my bra, and the cop just threw it on the ground and made me park my car. That was in the middle if the hood and they were not interested in me after they spoke to me. I picked it back up after he left. One smoked with me, black and Mexican partners. That was fun. But i have the privilege most don't in those neighborhoods. I sound innocent. I speak overly proper english with a non regional dialect and do not 'sound' black. Like president Obama. Many just get convicted on looks alone. They are looking for a reason to arrest them, and the drug war gives them plenty of 'probable cause' that they don't use on the majority nearly as much. What are we going to do?

JI7

(89,248 posts)
9. the black vote is assured for most Dems IF they go out and vote
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 06:01 PM
Jun 2014

Terry McAuliffe ran on supporting Obamacare . this helped to actually get the people to go out and vote for him.

for most minority voters it's pretty much things like jobs and health care that matter the most.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
11. What? Not the NSA violating the 4th Amendment, or ...
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 06:07 PM
Jun 2014

TPP or XL?

Actually, I think none of that ranks among top concerns among most working class people. It's about meeting survival needs, then comfort needs, then the ideological stuff.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
3. If there is such love for Obama, how about doing the little thing he wants from you...a single vote.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 05:39 PM
Jun 2014

Money can't buy you love, and love can't buy you a vote.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
5. Agreed ...
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 05:45 PM
Jun 2014

But then, I plan to vote to put people in Congress that will help advance President Obama's agenda ... And, I believe that Democrats and liberals would do themselves a favor by focusing their campaigns on what the Democratic Party's most reliable cohort says is of concern.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
14. Every Dem in NC should be screaming about expanded medicaid....
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 08:17 PM
Jun 2014

.....how many could be benefiting if the GOPope-istas hadn't refused it. How they will work to get to done.

JI7

(89,248 posts)
7. this is exactly it, much of getting the vote is just getting people to get out there and vote
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 05:57 PM
Jun 2014

you don't even need to convince them to vote for your candidate because as long as they do get out there they will vote for that person. often it's just things like reminding them to get out there, making sure they have someone to take them there etc.

the thing is that most people don't pay attention that closely to politics and this includes those who DO vote . and this is even more true during non Presidential elections.

sheshe2

(83,751 posts)
12. Agreed, 100%.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 06:09 PM
Jun 2014

I sure as heck will be voting! I'm from Massachusetts, blue state. Yet we can't let our guard down either. The last time that happened we got Scott Brown and worse Mitt Romney.

Thanks, 1SBM.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
13. And this has been true for many elections. Look at the elections of many black majors across the
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 07:57 PM
Jun 2014

land. As an old Democrat I have long wished that we could do that with all Democrat races. And THEN after we win I wish that we would carry through with our promises to the minorities that help us win.

One question: Will this make a difference in gerrymandered districts?

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
15. Absolutely ...
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 09:17 PM
Jun 2014

Even the most gerrymandered district, voter participation of eligible voters was below 50%.

The big issues that Black folks are concerned with, e.g., jobs, healthcare, the maintenance of the social safety net, cut across all working class demographics. Campaigning positively (i.e., what Democrats want to do) and negatively (i.e., what Republicans have done) on these issues will draw out working class people, Black and white.

On the other hand, campaigning on the evils of the NSA, TPP, XL, and the jailing the bankers, and most of the other issues of great importance on DU, as well as the consistent refrain that Democrats equal republicans and President Obama and Eric Holder are ineffective/ineffectual, will have Black folks, particularly, and working class folks, in general, staying home.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
16. I am poor white so I hear you. The issues that you first mentioned come first with me and most of
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 10:38 AM
Jun 2014

the people I know. TPP and XL are secondary.

I lived in Nebraska for a while and worked on several Native American reservations so I understand the XL and I have watched the trade agreements steal our jobs.

But to be honest I once read a book (I think the name was "When the Jobs Disappear&quot that showed how the jobs used to be in the inner cities and then moved to the subs leaving the people in the inner cities jobless. From there the jobs moved south where there were few unions and that was all before the trade agreements.

The trade agreements merely continued the trend and hit a lot of jobs held by people of all colors. We need to reverse this trend and reinvigorated our own jobs economy by moving back into the cities in the USA. Most of the people in this country live in cities.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
17. I agree, though ...
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 11:15 AM
Jun 2014

I doubt the trend will stop anytime in the near future.

Since corporations have no national identity/loyalty, they will seek out low labor cost/low regulatory nation-states to park their production, low tax nation-states to park their cash, and high security/high lifestyle nation-states to park their executives.

IMO, the solution is not a nationalistic "bring 'our' jobs home" effort; but rather, we should be fighting for trade agreements that equalize worker/workplace and (environmental) regulatory protections, globally. If global wages and regulatory schemes were equalized, there will be no benefit to corporations in shuffling labor and production; rather they will make production decisions based on other matrices, such as where the resources and/or end-users are. For example, China will no longer be incentivized to cut and ship lumber in the Pacific Northwest of the US, only to ship it back to China, where processing wages and environmental regulations are all but non-existent. Rather, it would be cheaper and more efficient (i.e., more profitable) to build processing plants where the lumber is cut, or where the lumber will be used. Likewise, Walmart and Apple will no longer be able to use foreign sweat shops to produce their goods and Help-desks servicing US markets will be located in the US.

While the elements of TPP is largely secret, I read (about a year ago) that one of the sticking points in the negotiations is the US insistence on the strengthening of workplace/environmental protections. I wish I could find the link to the article; but since TPP is/was not in my top 10 areas of concern, I read the article and kept it moving.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
19. The problem that I have with the "secret" negotiations ...
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 01:10 PM
Jun 2014

is that it allows parties to fill the void with dis/mis-information.

I understand why such negotiations must be in secret, as no one wants to appear to betray their "interests", especially where those "interests" are widely misunderstood.

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