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doxydad

(1,363 posts)
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 06:45 AM Jun 2014

It's Really Hard to Be a Good Guy With a Gun

OP NOTE: THIS IS NOT ME!

Just reportin' over here.....
My wife and I got into an argument last night over a dead man. His name was Joseph Robert Wilcox. He was 31 on Sunday, the day he tried to stop cop-killer Jerad Miller in a Las Vegas Walmart and was shot by Miller's wife Amanda. Wilcox was a good guy with a gun. It cost him his life
What I tried to explain to my wife—who thought Wilcox should have been running in the other direction, seeking cover—was that I could not blame him one bit. I could see myself doing exactly the same thing in the same scenario. Armed with a handgun and licensed to carry it concealed on his person, Wilcox read the situation, saw Miller—male, armed, firing a long gun and yelling—and thought he had an opportunity to end the threat.

He did not notice the diminutive woman on the sidelines with shopping cart and the handbag. She evidently had not made a scene. Wilcox approached Miller from behind. From his perspective, he had a chance to end the killing. From a broader perspective, he was already marked for death. Amanda came up behind him and pumped multiple shots into his ribs.

We had our biases in this argument. My wife is the child of a cop who's lost a partner in a shootout and had a lifetime of run-ins with wannabe civilian heroes. My father is one of those wannabe heroes. So am I. Dad and I have had our concealed carry permits for a combined 42 years. We love guns. We believe in self-reliance and self-protection.

But as the years go on and the country gets crazier—stirred up by paranoiacs, political hardliners, lobbyists, and simple gun-fetishists—I come nearer to my wife's side. The universe of scenarios in which carrying a gun seems prudent or useful just keeps shrinking and shrinking, even as the legal freedom to wield personal firepower keeps expanding. The NRA has recalibrated its message for the 21st century: "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun." But in many ways, the 21st century has already overtaken us good guys.


http://gawker.com/its-really-hard-to-be-a-good-guy-with-a-gun-1588660306

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It's Really Hard to Be a Good Guy With a Gun (Original Post) doxydad Jun 2014 OP
I've been carrying for over 30 years SevenSixtyTwo Jun 2014 #1
You could have ran from the guy coming out of your house! nt Logical Jun 2014 #6
There's little doubt being armed is only part of the equation. ileus Jun 2014 #2
Wilcox was the victim of two many COLGATE4 Jun 2014 #3
Not that hard sarisataka Jun 2014 #4
I can agree with this. Xyzse Jun 2014 #5
Cops do not get as much training as people here assume. nt Logical Jun 2014 #7
I was thinking less sarisataka Jun 2014 #8
 

SevenSixtyTwo

(255 posts)
1. I've been carrying for over 30 years
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 06:58 AM
Jun 2014

and I agree with his wife. I've only drawn once and that was when a threat was directed at me in the form of a guy coming out of my own house with one of my kitchen knives. He turned the other way, no shots fired. Sheriff took report and I never heard anymore about it. Wilcox tried to do the right thing and I commend him for that but he should have scrammed like everyone else. He was not a cop trained for such a situation.

ileus

(15,396 posts)
2. There's little doubt being armed is only part of the equation.
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 07:08 AM
Jun 2014

being aware, able to make millisecond decisions, and know you're not LEO all come into play as an armed civilian.

Merely having a firearm doesn't mean squat if you're not aware of your surroundings, and able to stay calm. Even with the best training you may only have a 20% better chance of survival, but that 20% is better than going about life as a willing victim.

This guy is sounds like got tunnel vision, and while he may have save a few lives tying up these folks a few extra seconds allowing folks to GTFO he paid the ultimate price for trying to do the right thing. A chance he thought he had to take...a price he paid.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
3. Wilcox was the victim of two many
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 01:39 PM
Jun 2014

movies and TV shows where the hero steps up and dramatically takes the bad guy out, usually with one shot. Too many Walter Mittys wandering around with their CCP's waiting for their opportunity to be Clint Eastwood.

sarisataka

(18,732 posts)
4. Not that hard
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 02:06 PM
Jun 2014

-you are not a cop
-carry always
-a gun does not make you bullet proof
-be polite and courteous to everyone, the ruder the other person is the more polite you should be
-you are not a cop
-get instruction, even if you already know what you are doing
-a gun does not make you bullet proof
-be aware of what is going on around you
-you are not a cop
-have a plan to not use your gun
-a gun does not make you bullet proof
-know exits to avoid trouble
-you are not a cop
-do not touch your gun unless you are sure you will die in the next few seconds
-a gun does not make you bullet proof
-do not fire unless you are sure you will die in the next second
-you are not a cop
-expect to have to defend your actions in court
-a gun does not make you bullet proof

-most important:-you are not a cop, if you have to use your gun, something has gone very wrong- be DAMN sure it isn't you

Xyzse

(8,217 posts)
5. I can agree with this.
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 02:19 PM
Jun 2014

My problem with people nowadays is that they don't have the maturity to handle having one.

Maturity involves learning how to maintain, use, store and not show the gun off. That is essentially what open carry is to me.
Too many show-offs right now, who brandish their gun with no provocation.

sarisataka

(18,732 posts)
8. I was thinking less
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 02:41 PM
Jun 2014

about cops training then the authority that comes with being a licensed officer

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