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Not one dime for Iraq without a wealth tax to pay for it. It's called leverage, Mr Mcain. (Original Post) grahamhgreen Jun 2014 OP
A friend of mine died after fighting in Iraq hollysmom Jun 2014 #1
We need to pay for these things not put them on credit. klyon Jun 2014 #2
It's one thing if we want to contribute humanitarian aid, BUT... markpkessinger Jun 2014 #10
A wealth tax would equate to not one more life. JoeyT Jun 2014 #8
Exactly. And it shifts the frame of the debate to them. grahamhgreen Jun 2014 #18
How about a Constitutional Amendment AlbertCat Jun 2014 #3
agreed iamthebandfanman Jun 2014 #9
I've been saying for years . . . markpkessinger Jun 2014 #11
yes a war requires a draft witnout exceptions like GWB got. hollysmom Jun 2014 #14
Start a war on poverty johnny 'save everybody'. toby jo Jun 2014 #4
Why does he think the Veterans Hospitals are so overloaded? NCarolinawoman Jun 2014 #5
Can we start a petition for this? perdita9 Jun 2014 #6
My answer is no even if they pay for it, which they wont. TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #7
Of course they won't pay for it. But it would change the dynamic of the debate. grahamhgreen Jun 2014 #13
But wait! McCain said the surge fixed it! tavernier Jun 2014 #12
But first . . . gratuitous Jun 2014 #15
Not one bomb for Iraq. And the US approves every single refugee and supplies them with a lifetime Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #16
How will you back that up? It may be tough to find money for children's lunches but somehow rhett o rick Jun 2014 #17

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
1. A friend of mine died after fighting in Iraq
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 01:42 PM
Jun 2014

not one more life.
to paraphrase Colin Powell, yes we broke it, but no way will we ever work to fix it (most stuff will just make it worse) so just say no.

klyon

(1,697 posts)
2. We need to pay for these things not put them on credit.
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 03:27 PM
Jun 2014

We broke it badly but I'm not sure there is any thing we can do. The problem is spinning out of control. The Syria problem is spreading.
We should provide humanitarian aid not military.

markpkessinger

(8,396 posts)
10. It's one thing if we want to contribute humanitarian aid, BUT...
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 04:29 PM
Jun 2014

. . . the U.S. is the LAST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD that should be delivering it right now. It's far too soon for the U.S. to try to play any active role in Iraq with any hopes of actually helping.

JoeyT

(6,785 posts)
8. A wealth tax would equate to not one more life.
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 04:27 PM
Jun 2014

The 1% aren't going to pay for shit if they can help it, so a wealth tax would pit the rest of the 1% against the ones that profit from war, and the war profiteers are outnumbered.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
3. How about a Constitutional Amendment
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 03:36 PM
Jun 2014

That if we're FIGHTING (not just "at war&quot somewhere....anywhere!.... we must act like it here at home

rations
a draft
War-time taxation

That might cut down on all this running in to save the day a bit.

The "Defense Dept" hasn't fought a defensive war since 1945.



Well.... one can dream, cannot one?

iamthebandfanman

(8,127 posts)
9. agreed
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 04:28 PM
Jun 2014

if this nation has to or wants to go to war, then its citizens should ALL sacrifice .. just like in the 40s.

markpkessinger

(8,396 posts)
11. I've been saying for years . . .
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 04:34 PM
Jun 2014

. . . that if a universal draft (no deferments or exemptions except for clear health barriers to serving), during the run up to the invasion of Iraq in 2003, the national conversation would have been very different. But since, for the vast majority of Americans, it was someone else's kid, not theirs, who would provide the necessary cannon fodder, much of the country was happy enough to take W's advice and go shopping.

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
14. yes a war requires a draft witnout exceptions like GWB got.
Sat Jun 14, 2014, 12:25 AM
Jun 2014

I have told this sotry many times - I have hated GWB since I was 23. I am almost 70 now - that is a life time of following stories abut him, long before most of my friends cared about him. I have always found him a self centered spoiled and not to bright guy. - but why? Because the day he got into the national guard my flat footed curved spine survivor of polio and legally blind fiance got drafted into the marines. They had lowered the standards they also drafted kids with asthma and other contrarian problems that would not allow you to survive in the jungle. - for him to get into the national guard would have taken an act of god. So I follows spoiled GWB that year and since. watching him ruin other people's lives all along the way - too many stories. and always getting away with it. The hate gave way to just loathing him and realizing at no point will he ever know that he did good,he might be told it, but it would never be glaringly true.

tavernier

(12,388 posts)
12. But wait! McCain said the surge fixed it!
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 04:47 PM
Jun 2014

It was the Land of Milk and Honey after a few quick fixes! Only then did Obama cast an evil reversal spell and turn the whole thing into shit again!!

This would be funny if it wasn't for the senseless loss of life and home and property that these bastards caused with a nod of the head.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
15. But first . . .
Sat Jun 14, 2014, 12:27 AM
Jun 2014

Pay the outstanding bills on Iraq 2.0 and Afghanistan. Until we clear the books on those little war crimes, not one additional dime for elective invasions.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
16. Not one bomb for Iraq. And the US approves every single refugee and supplies them with a lifetime
Sat Jun 14, 2014, 12:52 AM
Jun 2014

of stable housing. EVERY SINGLE REFUGEE IN IRAQ WHO SEEKS REFUGE IN THE U.S. DESERVES A LIFETIME OF SUPPORT.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
17. How will you back that up? It may be tough to find money for children's lunches but somehow
Sat Jun 14, 2014, 11:22 AM
Jun 2014

funding wars is easy. Too easy.

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