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Better Believe It

(18,630 posts) Mon Apr 2, 2012, 11:09 PM Apr 2012

Senator Schumer: The health insurance mandate idea came from Republicans and the Heritage Foundation

Meet the Press transcript for April 1, 2012

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SENATOR CHUCK SCHUMER (D-NY):

Well, I'd say, first, that of course, you take constitutional questions seriously. But at the time and still today, most constitutional scholars say it'll be upheld. Harvie Wilkerson***(as spoken)***he's the dean of the very conservative judges on the Courts of Appeals. He said it would be a heavy lift to overturn this law. And let's look at the context. The idea of a mandate came from Republicans. It was--it was proposed by the Heritage Foundation in 1993, people like Newt Gingrich and Bob Dole and that, you know, supported it in those days. In 2009, Mitt Romney, the Republican nom, you know, in the middle of the healthcare debate, the likely Republican nominee, said that the mandate was what should be used as opposed to Democrats who were then arguing for expanding Medicare.

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Senator Schumer: The health insurance mandate idea came from Republicans and the Heritage Foundation (Original Post) Better Believe It Apr 2012 OP

Hope this ProSense Apr 2012 #1

So what? NOW they're against it (well, against Obama) and the choirs they're gateley Apr 2012 #2

And some Democratic leaders flipped on expanding Medicare and the public option. Better Believe It Apr 2012 #4

That doesn't make it constitutional. dkf Apr 2012 #3

I am so confused... Kalidurga Apr 2012 #5

I just posted this on another thread but Winston Churchill's quote comes to mind. Uncle Joe Apr 2012 #6

Somebody also said this. CAPHAVOC Apr 2012 #8

Medicare for All would be a lot less confusing to the public than the health insurance industry bill Better Believe It Apr 2012 #7

And about $300 BILLION per year cheaper! kenny blankenship Apr 2012 #12

300 billion is almost the Interest on our National Debt Bandit Apr 2012 #15

Suuuuuure. BlueIris Apr 2012 #9

I have been telling people that since the beginning Dragonfli Apr 2012 #10

Good point, Chuck. Let's do single-payer instead, thanks! n/t Beartracks Apr 2012 #11

Well until Chuck explained it all... Kalidurga Apr 2012 #13

Nixon started the EPA .... let's kill it!!!! JoePhilly Apr 2012 #14

ProSense

(116,464 posts)

1. Hope this

Reply to Better Believe It (Original post)

Mon Apr 2, 2012, 11:17 PM

Apr 2012

"Senator Schumer: The health insurance mandate idea came from Republicans and the Heritage Foundation"

...works. I mean, the Courts should side with Republicans on the mandate.

gateley

(62,683 posts)

2. So what? NOW they're against it (well, against Obama) and the choirs they're

Reply to Better Believe It (Original post)

Mon Apr 2, 2012, 11:19 PM

Apr 2012

preaching to don't let the irony, or the obvious partisanship, penetrate their consciousness.

Better Believe It

(18,630 posts)

4. And some Democratic leaders flipped on expanding Medicare and the public option.

Reply to gateley (Reply #2)

Mon Apr 2, 2012, 11:21 PM

Apr 2012

dkf

(37,305 posts)

3. That doesn't make it constitutional.

Reply to Better Believe It (Original post)

Mon Apr 2, 2012, 11:21 PM

Apr 2012

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)

5. I am so confused...

Reply to Better Believe It (Original post)

Mon Apr 2, 2012, 11:22 PM

Apr 2012

Single payer would be a lot less confusing.

Uncle Joe

(58,414 posts)

6. I just posted this on another thread but Winston Churchill's quote comes to mind.

Reply to Kalidurga (Reply #5)

Mon Apr 2, 2012, 11:25 PM

Apr 2012

“Americans will always do the right thing after they've exhausted all the alternatives.”

Winston Churchill.

CAPHAVOC

(1,138 posts)

8. Somebody also said this.

Reply to Uncle Joe (Reply #6)

Mon Apr 2, 2012, 11:40 PM

Apr 2012

In Capitalism Man exploits Man. Communism is just the opposite.

Better Believe It

(18,630 posts)

7. Medicare for All would be a lot less confusing to the public than the health insurance industry bill

Reply to Kalidurga (Reply #5)

Mon Apr 2, 2012, 11:26 PM

Apr 2012

And the general public would support it.

kenny blankenship

(15,689 posts)

12. And about $300 BILLION per year cheaper!

Reply to Kalidurga (Reply #5)

Tue Apr 3, 2012, 02:40 AM

Apr 2012

Just think what this country could do with $300 billion extra every year.
Why we could start a whole new war in the Middle East with money like that. Maybe TWO new wars, if we pick the right opponents!

Bandit

(21,475 posts)

15. 300 billion is almost the Interest on our National Debt

Reply to kenny blankenship (Reply #12)

Tue Apr 3, 2012, 02:09 PM

Apr 2012

BlueIris

(29,135 posts)

9. Suuuuuure.

Reply to Better Believe It (Original post)

Tue Apr 3, 2012, 12:12 AM

Apr 2012

I'm sure the Democrats who are still diligently championing this crap even today can just blame the Republicans now that the idea has been exposed for the b.s. it is.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)

10. I have been telling people that since the beginning

Reply to Better Believe It (Original post)

Tue Apr 3, 2012, 01:14 AM

Apr 2012

Many refused to believe me, perhaps they will believe a politician.

"The idea of a mandate came from Republicans. It was--it was proposed by the Heritage Foundation in 1993, people like Newt Gingrich and Bob Dole"

Passing it under the Democratic banner means our party will take the blame of a horrible piece of legislation that will profit some and harm many many more.

It is a win, win for the GOP, get one of their sweetheart corporate laws passed, and let the Democrats take the blame while they pretend to oppose it. A brilliant little false flag operation our Republican infiltrators within the Democratic party have pulled off.

I call them (R)epublicans in (D)rag, but I am a bit rude....

Beartracks

(12,821 posts)

11. Good point, Chuck. Let's do single-payer instead, thanks! n/t

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Tue Apr 3, 2012, 01:37 AM

Apr 2012

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)

13. Well until Chuck explained it all...

Reply to Beartracks (Reply #11)

Tue Apr 3, 2012, 02:01 PM

Apr 2012

I thought it was a pretty good idea. Which is why I am now confused. I didn't think it was a great idea, but I liked some of the provisions. I even wrote a piece explaining how it was not unconsitutional, which it really isn't maybe it should be, but that is another debate. In anycase, I am going to have to say we should go all out and make the debate about The Affordable Health Care Act(an Orwellian title if there ever was one) vs Universal Health Care.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)

14. Nixon started the EPA .... let's kill it!!!!

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Tue Apr 3, 2012, 02:06 PM

Apr 2012

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