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KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)
Sat Jun 14, 2014, 12:27 PM Jun 2014

Landlord evicts dying man, steal his dog, throws away his possessions

I have seen firsthand some reasons why tenants deserve more protection from their amateur landlords. I am renting now from a man who lives 3000 miles away. For a while he really was "doing missionary work in Africa" -- Doctors without Borders to be exact. I count myself as lucky that he is not here to tell me how to live in my own home. Prior to this place I have always dealt with professional landlords, buildings that have a super or other staff.

A friend of mine is aging and is having a series of serious health issues. He was renting from an amateur landlord and things turned bad quickly. Because my friend relies on assistance for his rent, there is a formula for how much they will pay. He made a deal with his landlord to pay the additional $72 per month to make up the difference between what assistance will pay ($664) and what the landlord had wanted ($750).

About 3 weeks into the deal the landlord started coming into the apartment when my friend was out. He didn't like the way my friend was living / dying there. He took pictures during these invasions and put them on FaceBook. He nitpicked every aspect of my friend's life -- the dog wasn't being walked enough, the toilet wasn't flushed. My friend slept at the wrong hours and was therefore awake at the wrong hours. Real control freak stuff and totally illegal.

The heat wasn't working well this past winter so on top of recovering from prostate cancer surgery and battling two other major health issues, he was living in an apartment with not enough heat, about 55 degrees at night. My friend complained daily about the heat and the landlord moved to have him evicted ASAP. My friend got a home health aid, and tried to fix the little issues that the landlord shared with all his FB friends on his illegal visits. Tried to fight off eviction.

The landlord won eviction and then the Sheriff didn't move fast enough for him. 7 days after the eviction was to be done, the Sheriff still had not come so the landlord waited until my friend went out to a medical appointment and then went in threw away a bunch of clothing (including a collection of vintage sneakers), sent other stuff to a storage locker to hold for ransom and then he called 2 people he knew to come and take this guy's beloved dog. They made up all kinds of lies between the 3 of them -- that the dog had never been to a vet, that my friend had threatened to kill the dog, that the dog wasn't walked. The guy who the landlord gave the dog to is mentally ill, jobless forever and living off his old lady but he was running around town so proud of the fact that he was "a hero" for taking this dog away from a dying man who they had just made homeless (and dog-less).

My friend is resettled now. The police went and got the dog back from the mentally ill guy because the dog's VET, whom the landlord and friends swore the dog had never seen, had all the records of the dogs adoption and health care by my friend. The dog is staying with a sympathetic trainer / boarder who has grass and a stream and other dogs around all day. My friend is trying to put together another apartment deal but it is tough because his ex-landlord sticks to his story (to cover his own failings in this mess).

I wish I had space to take them in here but I am one dog over MY landlord's limit (which is one and I have two) and I don't qualify to rent to him through the program. I was threatened with eviction when I got my second dog.

I count myself lucky every day that I have a landlord who does not walk through my apartment and tell me how to live or one who did the things this other landlord did. I have seen how bad it can be. As Mark Twain sardonically remarked: "Nothing so needs reforming as other peoples' habits."


In my experience there are some warning signs that a landlord will be a problem if you rent from them:
- they want to leave some of their stuff in the space you are renting and they want to hold you responsible for any damage to it
- they say they will fix various things that are obviously broken but they will fix them after you sign and move in (they won't -- WYSIWYG)
- they proudly tell you stories about evicting prior tenants during your first 3 minute walk through
- they come out to you and other people waiting to see the open apartment and play favorites right there. This really happened to me. I said "this young woman has waited longer than I" they said "I want to rent to a man."
- they are a landlord because the have to be, not because they want to be / are good at it
- they are renting space within their own home / duplex
- there is a "for rent" sign on the place every 2 months or so
- they have only rented to friends and family members prior to now

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Landlord evicts dying man, steal his dog, throws away his possessions (Original Post) KurtNYC Jun 2014 OP
Mercy shenmue Jun 2014 #1
I bet a lot of people deal with this laundry_queen Jun 2014 #2
"too much emotion invested..." -- so true KurtNYC Jun 2014 #7
I rented a small garage apt that needed interior painting..gave 1st, last and secuity deposit dixiegrrrrl Jun 2014 #3
i hated renting. hope to never be a renter again. your friend is lucky to have u as an advocate Liberal_in_LA Jun 2014 #4
Maybe you should call the local TV station report this guy warrior1 Jun 2014 #5
For every bad landlord... Archae Jun 2014 #6
I lived downstairs from an amateur landlord. Gormy Cuss Jun 2014 #8
Did your friend ever contact an attorney? Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2014 #9
looks like the guy needs to do some time in prison for taking those pics JI7 Jun 2014 #10
I rented from 2 different amateurs LibertyLover Jun 2014 #11
Thanks KurtNYC Jun 2014 #13
Im curious is this landlord a member of DU? Just asking... Drew Richards Jun 2014 #12
LOL. FSogol Jun 2014 #14
Why do you sign a contract and knowingly violate it? joeglow3 Jun 2014 #15

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
2. I bet a lot of people deal with this
Sat Jun 14, 2014, 02:31 PM
Jun 2014

I haven't done much renting, but when I did I found even well meaning 'amateur' landlords can be a total PITA. Professional landlords were better because they left you alone. Amateur landlords seem to have too much emotion invested in their properties and thus go over the top with check ins and expectations and so on.

My most recent rental experience my landlord was a super nice guy but very manipulative in getting me to do things for him. It was a new building and there were really small issues he was picky about (landlord didn't like how one board of the hardwood flooring was 'faded') and he would make ME make the appointments with the builder to get the issues fixed. He also promised me a yard (grass/fence) because it was a new build and needed landscaping. It was one of the only reasons I rented from him (because the price was really high) so my kids could have a yard to play in. I was there for 2.5 years and he never put grass or a fence in (one neighbor was totally pissed because he offered to put the fence up AT SHARED COST OF MATERIALS ONLY because he works in construction and could get materials at cost and had experience putting up fences himself and would do labor for free - and my landlord thought THAT was too expensive ) Also, because there was no grass, the property got cited for weeds and my landlord begged ME to take care of it, so my kids and I spent a week pulling weeds and weed whacking. ugh. When I told him I didn't know if I could do it, he hinted that he was giving me a bargain on my rent and that not many people rent out to single parents, so I felt like I had to. My landlord also would invite his parents over once in awhile so they could do a 'blessing' on the house which at first I thought was sweet, but then it was like man, does he have to bring his parents over too? And I always had to remind him that the tenant act meant I needed 24 hours notice (he tried to 'drop in' more than once).

And as I said, he was super nice and loved me as a tenant (because I'm a good one) but it was just a PITA to have to deal with the expectations. I felt like it wasn't MY place at all. Thankfully I was able to buy a smaller place for lower monthly payment than that rental (and my kids got a yard...and a puppy! lol) I finally feel like I have a HOME.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
3. I rented a small garage apt that needed interior painting..gave 1st, last and secuity deposit
Sat Jun 14, 2014, 03:38 PM
Jun 2014

and asked the landlady if I could paint, at my expense. she was happy to say yes, I even showed her the colors ( mostly light greens with white trim) before hand, she approved.
so, painted the walls, the trim, the doors on both sides, decorated the place. She popped in, said it was great, really liked what I did with the place, etc.
a year later, I got a great job opportunity, had to move, left the place clean, etc. and she refused to give back the security deposit
( 250.00)
because she said .....she had to re-paint the inside in a "better" color. ( shit muckle dun, as it turns out).
Since I was now one state away, not much I could do that would be worth the hassle....

Archae

(46,327 posts)
6. For every bad landlord...
Sat Jun 14, 2014, 04:07 PM
Jun 2014

There is a bad tenant.

My Dad used to fix up houses, and rent them out.
He evicted guys who would have 6-8 (or more!) large dogs, druggie friends of the tenants who would move in on the couch, damage fixtures, walls and floors.

I've lived in my apartment now for 22 years.

Had lazy landlords and good ones.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
8. I lived downstairs from an amateur landlord.
Sat Jun 14, 2014, 07:47 PM
Jun 2014

Downside:
-- they entered the apartment whenever they wanted, with the only courtesy being that they knocked first to make sure I wasn't home (after awhile I did convince them that it was better to let me know the night before, but that took a couple of years)
--they watched who came into my apartment and when they left, especially guests of the overnight variety but also people they didn't think fit in, like gay couples or persons of color. I know because they'd ask me about them the next time we had a "chat."
--they didn't trust me to have a pet but they had small dogs who scampered over the bare floors at all hours and grumpy big dogs who barked every single time they saw me in the window. Ugh.

Upside:
--they rarely raised the rent even though the place was in a very desirable location. When I moved out they listed the unit for more than double what I was paying. They explained to me early on that they'd rather have a reliable tenant than make top dollar for it.
--they genuinely cared about me and my safety as a "girl" living alone. Since I was new to the city I really appreciated knowing that someone was watching out for me, even if it was sometimes in really infuriating ways.

I've had problems living in professionally managed housing too though -- mostly of the "we'll fix that" variety but it's never really fixed, just bandaged.

All told though, if I were renting again I'd go with a professionally managed place. More documentation of the expectations and often more management training on tenant law.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,326 posts)
9. Did your friend ever contact an attorney?
Sat Jun 14, 2014, 08:46 PM
Jun 2014

I don't know where you are but, here in Chicago, we have some pretty good tenant protections that require the landlord to pay fees if they lose. A lot of big cities have pretty good tenants rights laws on the books.

My buddy just retired as a public defender and has been having fun and making money suing assholes like you just described.

JI7

(89,248 posts)
10. looks like the guy needs to do some time in prison for taking those pics
Sat Jun 14, 2014, 09:05 PM
Jun 2014

which is wrong in itself but then posting it in public for others to view .

what a piece of shit.

LibertyLover

(4,788 posts)
11. I rented from 2 different amateurs
Sat Jun 14, 2014, 09:09 PM
Jun 2014

and it was awful. The first house was practically falling down on one side and he wouldn't do anything about it. We had the water shut off because he forgot to pay the utility company. After a year there we found what initially we thought was a better house. The owners were a Greek guy and his Tunisian wife. She had divorced her first husband, gotten some money and they bought this house to rent. Allegedly the husband was a contractor. It turned out he wasn't licensed, but that's another story. We were there for 3 years and lost possessions due to their incompetence. The roof leaked in several spots including the living room and our bed room. We tried to get them to fix it, but they decided to do it cheaply and the 2 day laborers messed it up badly. We complained in writing and they told us that they wouldn't continue to rent to us. Unfortunately for them, I had a series of e-mails that confirmed our renewal for another year. Luckily we were able to find something better and in the same school district so our daughter's education wasn't disrupted again. Oh, and they would "stop by" to see us without calling ahead. Several times we had plans and they would stay and stay, not taking the hints. We would finally have to basically walk out and get into the car. Once they even followed us as if to make sure we did I. Fact have something to do. We were going to the Ren Faire and since you had to.pay to get in they didn't follow us onto the grounds. They were awful.

Our new landlord has several properties in the area and runs renting them like a business. When things go wrong, like finding the basement flooded after a nasty fall storm because the old cheaply installed sump pump had died, he immediately got,a plumber to,the house on a Sunday and came over himself to see the repairs. Other than that, we rarely see him. It's so much better to be renting from a non-amateur. I truly hope your friend gets better, continues to enjoy the love and companionship of his dog and that the amateur who made his life hell gets some pay back.

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