Works every time.

...it will work this time also. There's a sense of urgency in the air.

We're going to officially support whichever side represents the interests of oil companies, not the interests of the Iraqi people.

The middle class in the US is dying, so whatever's happening in Iraq means nothing. Lets clean up our own shit before worrying about another country's shit.

It may have been on MSNBC? But a reporter was reporting from McAllen TX and they were filming 17 refugees from El Salvador that thought they were still in Mexico? They were mostly women and kids, with a couple of males. They said they were running from violence in El Salvador. This is what we need to find out the truth about. We need to take care of business in our back yard before we go on another oil expedition.

what burns is that we started that other country's shit.

Glad you're both here!

I agree, too, that we started that other country's shit, Starcats, but we - in this case WE HERE and elsewhere among the progressive and liberal activists - WE were against that from the beginning, and circumstances unfurled to prove us correct, yet again. EVERYTHING WE WARNED ABOUT - happened. But America, and especially cheap-ass American "news" media, listens to the guys who got it wrong the first time and continue to get it wrong to this very day and hour. Probably because they're very available and have highfalutin titles or some such. I suspect mccain has more media advisors and scroungers and intermediaries than probably anybody else on Capitol Hill. He NEVER misses an opportunity to whore himself in front of cameras and live microphones. NEVER. He'll walk out of a private briefing set up mainly for pompous, titled bigmouths like him, just so he can pontificate for the cameras and mics. Just so he can get that horrid, frightful, lumpy, war-hungry, diseased face in front of as many mass audiences as possible. That's what guys like him live for. And when WE object yet again, we're staying true to the REAL truth and reality of what's going on here.

And beaglelover, I'm with you, too. I don't care! I'm far more concerned about the poor, needy, hungry, unemployed, underemployed, and homeless HERE IN THIS COUNTRY than about anything overseas. I know, I know, it has impact here at home and that thing about our oil under their sand and all that crap. If it benefits the oil barons and corporations, I'm less interested in it than I am in chris christie's bellybutton lint. I care FAR more about the hurt IN THIS COUNTRY NOW. I care far more about the veterans here, and hurting, NOW. Hah! The VETERANS issue! How 'bout that one? I care HUGELY-far more about the veterans we've already created, injured or not, than I care about these purportedly fabulous new opportunities to create more of them! Especially when the same people with their hard-ons for war are the same ones obstructing efforts to fund and support and sustain the VA!!!!

As I recall?

The Middle Class is being exterminated.

....than an orchestra of noisy pawns?

The fall of Iraq has been breathtaking in its speed. Shitfire, our money went to train 30,000 Iraqi troops who dropped weapons and uniforms when faced with 800 rebels. What the hell is that about?

Our money went to contractors who "trained" the Iraqi troops.

it was a scam the whole time.

I never believed for once that there was any actually training going on, except for the little dog and pony shows for the press.

And after we paid the contractors they farmed out the training to a (much cheaper) third party.

We paid young people in the Anwar province, a well-known Sunni area, $200-300 per month to join the local police force. These folks were happy to get some of the money that was going to the crooks in Baghdad. All they had to do was promise they would not attack American troops. Amazingly, it worked so long as the Americans were running the show. Unfortunately, after America left, Maliki gradually sifted out all the Sunnis that were being paid. He had no desire to help the people of Iraq.

The early bird gets the worm:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025096568

Better luck next time.

But good propaganda requires repetition.

No doubt a Republican President would have bombed the hell out of Iraq by now.. "Shock and Awe" redux.

The NeoCons have been out and about for several weeks now. It makes me wonder what they knew or suspected -- or hoped, in their evil black hearts?

that the Iraqi Shiite mililtias have organized to protect Baghdad and pushed the ISISers back.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/iraqis-answering-top-shiite-clerics-call-to-arms/2014/06/14/dc4f0a26-f37a-11e3-914c-1fbd0614e2d4_story.html

shouldn't this be posted on an alex jones forum ?

What part do you believe that they are telling us in the media?

If you want to influence their thinking, do it now, while they're still groping with how to deal with it. Even conservative senators must be getting an earful right now. The Tea Party doesn't like it any more than we do. Send an email. It only takes about 15 minutes. I sent one to Patty Murray earlier today.

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At 440,000 square meters, it is the largest and most expensive embassy in the world and is nearly as large as Vatican City.

"The The Economist reported that "ISIS may have up to 6,000 fighters in Iraq and 3,000-5,000 in Syria, including perhaps 3,000 foreigners; nearly a thousand are reported to hail from Chechnya and perhaps 500 or so more from France, Britain and elsewhere in Europe."[55]"

on C-SPAN show early this morning. It was some sort of "institute" and it was obviously pushing for war. They were spreading around quite a bit of fear.

Also, they said that they were taking the money back to Syria? For what reasons? Do they need to pay more fighters to continue the fight against Assad? Who knows?

And without raising taxes on themselves.

we are always at war with Eurasia except when we are at war with EastAsia. There is always a war to be marketed to the American public and the public (unfortunately) is usually in a buying mood or will immediately get on board.

to put up with more of this bullshit.

can we pass up just ONE chance to enrich the MIC?

Hummmmm?

For pro-war arguments, I like "bullshit until proven true."

The process of limiting press access to a conflict begins when a reporter applies for embed status. All reporters are carefully vetted by military public affairs officials. This system is far from unbiased. Unsurprisingly, reporters who have established relationships with the military are more likely to be granted access.

Less well known is that journalists whom military contractors rate as likely to produce “favorable” coverage, based on their past reporting, also get preference. This outsourced “favorability” rating assigned to each applicant is used to screen out those judged likely to produce critical coverage.Reporters who succeeded in obtaining embed status in Iraq were then required to sign a media “ground rules” agreement. Army public affairs officials said this was to protect operational security, but it also allowed them to terminate a reporter’s embed without appeal.


The embedded reporter program, which continues in Afghanistan and wherever the United States sends troops, is deeply informed by the military’s experience of how media coverage shifted public opinion during the Vietnam War. The gatekeepers in public affairs have too much power: Reporters naturally fear having their access terminated, so they tend to avoid controversial reporting that could raise red flags.

The existing program forces journalists to compete against one another for “special access” to vital matters of foreign and domestic policy. Too often, this creates reporting that flatters senior decision makers. A result is that the American public’s access to the facts is gutted, which leaves them with no way to evaluate the conduct of American officials.http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/06/15/opinion/sunday/chelsea-manning-the-us-militarys-campaign-against-media-freedom.html?referrer=

Cantor loses and suddenly the country is plunged into chaos. Strings are being pulled. We are being manipulated but to what end, I don't know.