stupid and unreasonable, with shit that comes from mens rights sites?

Ok, just another day on DU, I suppose.

Thanks for letting me know.

I just hate it when DU makes itself look stupid.

WTF- is "Stare Rape"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025101076

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

YOUR COMMENTS

Since this is fake, poster has been told it's fake and this stupid picture trivializes rape this should be hidden.

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Sun Jun 15, 2014, 12:01 PM, and voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT ALONE.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: How far is this pseudo feminist alert nonsense going to go? There is nothing offensive here other than the manufactured outrage created by the HOF group.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I'm voting to hide this because I did a search and the only place I can find this image is on woman hating sites that defy description. I don't think DU should be added to that list.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I think its about where rape starts and makes a valid point.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: The alerter's comments changed my mind. Of course the term"stare rape" is ridiculous. The origins of this photo appear dubious (it does appear to be an attempt to dilute actual anti-rape messages). This may not be the intent of the OP, but it is the result. I am hoping if the intent of the OP was not to attempt to trivialize other anti rape messages and I hope s/he will have deleted the post by the time the jury has completed.

Thank you.

My initial thought was: the respondents in the thread are clearly stating that this is BS ... The alerter changed my mind and I realized that this garbage should not be given further attention.

I thought that if the OP had posted this in good faith, when it became clear this was solely an attempt to diminish the anti-rape message, they would self delete. Obviously, it was not an unfortunate post, posted in good faith ... it appears to be the opposite

Copy and paste the OP in his last entry and then self delete the OP.

if the alerter actually linked to the replies that showed that "stare rape" is a hoax.

Odd, isn't it?

- Truly sickening. But then they're bullies and bullies are really just cowards puffed-up to look scary. So never fear. It's they who's scared. That's why they're here......





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Call out the pieces of shit for making shit up? BZZZZZZZT!

Who would alert on that?

Which is why jury results can be incredibly random within a short period of time. I didn't agree with either jury result in this case and would have voted to hide the first and voted to leave seabeyonds post, where I'm really not understanding why it was hidden.

And coz I'm too lazy to post again tonight, and have only just caught up on these 'rape stare' threads, my reaction when I looked at that first OP and without having read any further was that it was total bullshit aimed to minimise rape...

alert stalk sea and post bogus OPs in the hopes of starting a flame war.

Honestly. Sometimes you gotta wonder about people here.

If an alerter wants to get outrageous posts hidden, the best thing to do is wait until the like-minded have already had their opportunity for "me too!", and have essentially volunteered for the jury blacklist.

I tried "Stare rape" origin and "Stare rape" etymology. This would be really fascinating and useful information if you had some hard evidence.

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=%22Stare%20Rape%22%20fake

I explained how I tried 2 separate google searches and didn't find anything damning. If you have a point to make, you should provide the evidence. It would take YOU even less time since you already know which data are pertinent and where they're located, and it would save time for all your readers and make them more likely to get your point.

After looking through all the links on the first page of the search you provided, I found no evidence that the "Stare rape" photo is fake. There is another picture in that album which has two versions, showing that at least one of them is fake. An important thing to take away from this is that the text of a sign in a picture can easily be altered. However, that doesn't prove that any particular photo IS fake.

If you have harder evidence, I'd like to see it.

The actual typing took two seconds. The 3 results took 10 to find.

I can't help you there. Point was made.

I'm trying to show you that your methods aren't convincing. I've done about everything I can on that front, and it seems I can't help you there either.

...if you look under google images, you'll find plenty to follow up on.



TYY

The OP made a statement that seemed to imply having proof that the whole "stare rape" thing was fake, and created by specific people. There doesn't seem to be any. I was expecting to see like a reddit or 4chan discussion page where the idea was hatched to exaggerate feminist claims and spread them by meme, and what I got was many images that prove nothing, discussion boards discussing the idea of "Stare rape", and exactly one post where some unknown person asserted that "stare rape" was made up. You can't support an assertion with an assertion! (That person also said that "the entire set" of images was proven fake, but I went through the discussion thread and didn't find any proof of this, beyond one image being clearly fake, and that was not even the image that this thread's OP is referencing.)

There IS evidence that this isn't a real thing - namely that I can't find any feminists seriously backing the idea (however, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, so that's a little shaky.) But that's an entirely different angle than the approach that the OP took:

1) Make a statement implying proof,
2) Do not provide any proof,
3) Put others down as lazy when they ask for proof, when the burden of proof is always on the person making a claim (and still fail to provide any proof.)

A correct argument badly made is still a bad argument.

absence of evidence doesn't mean evidence of absence. I guess we'll never know whether you rob banks while wearing a clown suit or not...

So sad...

I can explain it if you want, but I'd rather not waste my time if you don't actually care about the formulation of arguments.

to find the meaning of something posted? I don't know what it means and I don't care enough to search. Perhaps some feel intelligent when they "know" stuff and other are ignorant.

It is bordering on rude to post obscure acronyms and slang phrases with no context to aid the reader to understand it.

...in google images.



TYY

... and to detract from some of the very powerful anti-rape messages formatted in the same way.

There doesn't appear to be any association with women or feminists promoting this idea.

You are right, I can't find a single person claiming to be a feminist seriously defending the idea. It is a straw man.

There is a pretty substantial backlash against a perceived feminist "overreach" on a lot of internet communities. You won't find it on a board like this, for the most part, but I see it a lot.

Here is a post with 11,000 upvotes (and only 1000 downvotes): http://imgur.com/gallery/3jFNw

I misinterpreted your other post then.

And it is here on DU, to be sure. This OP and some of the replies is proof of it. There is plenty of other proof on here as well.

Anything to be dismissive. That is the real goal. If figures this originated with the MRA's. Being dismissive of real issues that affect people is the hallmark of right wing propaganda. Hmmm.

Thanks for your research into this.

Happy to give this one a kick.

There's some people who believe in strange brew in that other one.

for finding it out

I find it interesting that we are debating degrees of boundaries, and what triggers either a flight or fight response in women, or triggers fear of assault.Not quite so subjective when what we learn is what can precede a sexual attack on one.

And what we learn as women is that the stare is used to intimidate, objectify, and is used as a tracking mechanism by many animals when they are hunting prey. It is often done from a perceived position of power relative to the subject. That is what women are taught through various forms of media, and our experience bears this out. So where do you draw the line between being comfortable with someone's gaze vs a stare. I guess you have not experienced this. And it isn't just the stare, it often enough is accompanied by gestures, words. And met with anger if you object. That to me is the telling part. They don't say I'm sorry, they are angry that you have a boundary and don't allow their intrusion. Can you imagine your child having to deal with this? It is mostly about power. Rape is about power.
I know all too well the difference between real rape and this, "rape stare". What I also understand is a level of sexualized victimization when men use staring as a means of abuse.

for a reason

is a gross aspect of rape and precedes the act of rape, sometimes overtly, sometimes just playing on a disparity in age and position. The incident of rape where you are suddenly over-powered by a stranger is more myth than reality.

I don't read 4chan or the rest, and the first time I'd ever heard of "stare rape" was this morning in GD.

Hopefully it's the Gay gene that inoculates me.

Genuinely curious.

So they they don't consider men who leer at women creepy?

I guess not. Probably because they are creepy themselves.

I read the sign as simple hyperbole and moved on.

The only possible explanation.

They shopped bullshit onto a lot of "I need feminism because" tweets, if you reverse image search the pic you'll find an imgur with many examples: some with multiple versions, plus some real images with dumbass refutations written on them.

That's stupid too.

Do you want me to go figure out which awful Reddit account is yours? I assume that's what you're asking me for.

You suggested the other image was photoshopped by trolls to make feminists look stupid. And I asked if you think this one is too.

My point is that just because someone makes a stupid sign doesnt mean it's intentionally faked. Sometimes the people that make it are just plain idiots. There are a lot of people out there, whether they call themselves feminists or not, who say really stupid things. When you see something stupid like that, don't just jump to the conclusion..."oh that's gotta be fake!"

Some sort of meeting, appears to be about trafficking from the sign in the corner. My guess is a Christian group of some sort.

It's still a dumb ass sign

Close

One cannot rape with the eyeballs.

Doesn't mean that some out there don't believe it to be a thing. The world revolves around them...

First post? Seriously?

... before saying what one really thinks?

Have at it.

And I don't think it should be conflated with actual rape

women up. That shit does NOT belong on du.

Thank you for your work, and being intelligent enough to research and find the lie.

I just wanted to post in my style so it was a bit more believable that it was me saying it, not just a copy/paste job.

Interesting result, but it's a one off I'm sure.