who became a chiropractor. She and her husband were a chiropractic team who subscribed to the ridiculous view that all health problems were spine related and could be treated with spinal adjustments. The last time we saw the two of them was on a New Year's Eve back in the 1980's during which they put on a video featuring Peter Graves making ludicrous statements to the effect that spinal subluxations were at the root of all of mankind's problems including nuclear war. I kid you not. These people are certifiable.

Rondberg is a chiropractor.
Therefore chiropractic is woo.

I guess I need to review my logic class.

99.9% of the time, exercise and diet are the answers. But that requires too much hard work.
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And live with it for awhile...then go get an adjustment.


Then get back to me on whether or not chiropractic is woo.

I wouldn't be walking pain free. I've said this story over and over again in these threads how doctors were unable to help me and then a chiro did, but then he just brings up some whacko and says, "see? They're all like this!" and posts the same shit every so often. It's so transparent.

chiropractic ended my back pain.

x-rays showing the twisted vertebra are not woo.

suffered off and on for 30 years ... losing weight didn't fix it, muscle relaxers didn't fix it, wearing a lift in one shoe didn't fix it.

chiropractor fixed it.

2 years ago I dislocated a thoracic rib. I went the usual route...pain meds, muscle relaxers, exercises...4 weeks later the pain was still unbearable and I was ready to contemplate ending it all (I know know why chronic pain sufferers commit suicide. I couldn't sit, lay down...hell, I couldn't breathe.

4 visits to the chirpractor and I was totally pain free.

Woo my ass.

But I have to wonder if the benefit is partly placebo effect.

when you have a dislocation.

Either it's back in alignment of it's not. You can't talk yourself into that.

I was just thinking of my grandmother who had acupuncture therapy (to treat osteo-arthritis) for several years, and seemed to benefit significantly from it. I've always wondered, though, if it was partly placebo effect in her case. I honestly don't know.

As indicated by a few people in this thread, certain adustments can have excellent results. Broken arm; no amount of adjustment to one's spine is going to fix that. Depression, anxiety, etc., this is where the woo peddlers in the field excel.

And we have at least a couple of posters in this very thread who seem to have benefited greatly from chiropracty.

"Depression, anxiety, etc., this is where the woo peddlers in the field excel."

Yeah, psychological problems being treated by spine adjustment is pretty much the definition of "woo."

Following is a list of diseases that CHIROPRACTORS THEMSELVES claim can be fixed with chiropractic:

Asthma
Chronic Fatigue Syndrome
Colic
Ear Infection
Fertility Issues
Frequent Colds and Flus
Gastrointestinal Syndrome
Loss of Equilibrium
Menstrual Disorders
Multiple Sclerosis
Tendonitis
Thoracic Outlet Syndrome
Respiratory Infection

The "subluxation-based" chiropractic community also loves homeopathy.

Let's see...they can fix fertility issues by manipulating the spine, AND they believe this is medicine:

Is it because your posts in the Skeptic forum don't get much action?

I wish you'd consider posting your Woo threads in the Skeptic forum.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1231

I want a reality-based discussion board, and reality shouldn't be limited to the skeptic board.

"I want a reality-based discussion board..."
Are national borders real or imaginary (i.e., 'woo')?

Do skeptics accept or reject predicating important daily decisions on imaginary constructs (economics, politics, etc..)

asserting that alternative medicine is comparable with politics or the economy. No answer for you.

I just looked at all the World Cup threads and didn't see you complaining about why they weren't in the Sports forum.
Why's that?

obsession happens on a regular basis.

probably!

and yet we still get threads using naturalnews as a source in GD. If the woo were confined to the Woo Group, then science-based medicine threads wouldn't be needed in GD.

Sid

Astrology, Spirituality and Alternative Healing is a group, not a forum for skeptics.

and woo doesn't get posted in the Skeptics group.

It's only in GD, where there's conflict.

Woo gets posted and gets answered by science.



Sid

I wonder how I apply for that job.

went to a Physiatrist and real Physical Therapist. Anti-inflammatories, body work and exercises did the trick.
Wouldn't let a chiropractor near me if it was free.
And if you tell me the chiropractor would do the same thing as the PT, I would rather have someone who studied scientific medicine work on me than some one who studied discounted theories of subluxation.

so they must cover "woo".

didn't think they would cover treatments that are "woo" guess we learn something new every day!

If your back goes out it will get better in about a week if you see a chiropractor, or it will get better in 7 days if you don't! And they were right! So 20 years with no chriopractors!

Do you understand the principles behind it at all?

If you dislocate something, what happens? You get reduced blood flow and nerve compression. And a ton of pain an inflammation.

What is it about realigning joints that you don't you understand?

A real doctor doesn't try it on infants or tell me it will cure my asthma.

It is woo

Other people's experiences are to be completely discounted and dismissed out of hand.

Got it.

and neither does his organization.

My father had a leg that was longer than the other one, and developed back problems as a result. It was a chiropractor who, when my father's back would "go out," would make it possible for him to leave his bed and walk again. He didn't manipulate my father's back for colds, flus, or cancer. But it sure worked when he had a back problem.

I don't think all chirpractors are bad. It depends on the person.

I have scoliosis, and in all my years, I found one chiropractor who
truly helped me... but it wasn't through adjustments. It was
through tissue and muscle work, and he never shocked my system.

Now I'm dealing with my pain as a pain issue, not a spinal issue.
This seems to be working.

I'm seeing a massage therapist with extensive knowledge about
neuro-science.

I like this approach.

connected with the spine and orthopedics. If Chiropractors stuck with that, I wouldn't really have any problem with chiropractic medicine. I wouldn't go to one, but to each his or her own. However, the bulk of Chiropractors don't stick with just doing adjustments according to their understanding of them.

Instead, all too many Chiropractors have added a whole pile of alternative medicine "treatment modalities" to their armamentarium, including completely worthless ones like homeopathy, "energy" nonsense, and even things like putting rocks on people and using "crystal vibrations" in their practices.

Search for Chiropractors in any area and then go look at their websites. It's rare to find one that sticks to traditional chiropractic medicine. Almost all of them are involved with one sort of woo or another. It makes the entire field look bad, IMO.

I honestly don't know why anyone (including me) even clicks on these anymore.

If people go to a chiropracter, it's none of your business- but, you'll never understand that- just like the anti abortion people can't get over that either.

No doubt in my mind. Not that all posters who question such are, but when 99% of your posts are about that same thing. I have to wonder.

It's almost impossible that you could answer yes to that.

Why even bring that up? Why is that even an important part of an argument?

Commenting on something in no way interferes with anyone doing what they want, unless (heaven forbid!) you accomplish the rare, and apparently terrible and evil thing of changing someone's mind -- which, I guess was "none of your business" to try to change since I suppose there's some special right that needs to be recognized where it's better that people make up their own minds free of any outside influences from, you know, things they might read or overhear that aren't being forced on them at gunpoint.

...can be effective under particular circumstances, and whether or not the overall practice and the theory behind chiropractic are "woo", are two separate issues.

Medieval doctors did manage on occasion to treat disease and reduce pain with some limited success, but what success they had was totally in spite of, not because of "humorism", i.e., trying to treat disease as a matter of creating balance among the "four humors": blood, phlegm, yellow bile, and black bile.

Humorism was, and still is, woo.

Chiropractors succeed to the extent that they do because the manipulations they perform can be useful and effective, but they are useful and effective mostly in spite of, not because of, the chiropractic theory behind those manipulations. That's why, overall, chiropractic is woo.