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Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 03:17 PM Jun 2014

What does what words we have say about our culture?

We have words for "trousers" and "green", but not a word for "green trousers"; we have a word for "dancing", but not a word for "dancing on a tuesday".

Which things we have words for, and which concepts we have to express using combinations of words, probably says something about how we or our ancestors thought.

So two questions:

1) Can anyone give me examples of interesting things that there are words for in other languages but not English, that say something about different world-views. "Shadenfreude", for example.

2) Can anyone give me examples of things that there are words for in English, but not in other languages?

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What does what words we have say about our culture? (Original Post) Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2014 OP
You might like this. Brickbat Jun 2014 #1
That's very cool. Thank you. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2014 #3
"Yenta" in Yiddish implies a nosy, meddlesome old woman, even though the male form it tblue37 Jun 2014 #19
I read where ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #2
similarly, english has no word for intential truth-telling. unblock Jun 2014 #6
Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #8
i meant as a verb. unblock Jun 2014 #9
How about "veracity"? Glorfindel Jun 2014 #10
i meant as a verb. veracify? unblock Jun 2014 #11
The verb "verify" and the noun "verification" are words already. nt tblue37 Jun 2014 #18
but that's to tell if someone else is lying or not. unblock Jun 2014 #20
I find that claim preposterous. Can you back it up? Comrade Grumpy Jun 2014 #16
I will try and find the book. 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #21
Embiggens. Liberal Veteran Jun 2014 #4
I think I'll includerate "embiggens" in my conversations from now on. Squinch Jun 2014 #12
a russian-speaking co-worker once struggled for an english word and came up with "tri-head" unblock Jun 2014 #5
what-EVEH! unblock Jun 2014 #7
I think I remember reading in the novel "Smilla's Sense of Snow" that aboriginal Greenlandic people Squinch Jun 2014 #13
I believe that technically they don't actually have any words at all. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2014 #14
My favourite is still 'Backpfeifengesicht' PDJane Jun 2014 #15
"Machismo." nt tblue37 Jun 2014 #17

Brickbat

(19,339 posts)
1. You might like this.
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 03:20 PM
Jun 2014
http://www.boredpanda.com/untranslatable-words-found-in-translation-anjana-iyer/

ETA: I dislike the "untranslatable words" designation, however. We can translate them -- just not with one word. Also, something like the "pochemuchka" of Russian could easily be expressed with "Nosy Nellie" or something similar, although "Nosy Nellie" doesn't imply the constant "why" that "pochemuchka" does (the Russian word for "why" is "pochemu&quot .

tblue37

(65,340 posts)
19. "Yenta" in Yiddish implies a nosy, meddlesome old woman, even though the male form it
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 05:22 PM
Jun 2014

is derived from (yenta) itself comes from an Old Italian word that means kind, pleasant, kindly.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
2. I read where ...
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 03:26 PM
Jun 2014

The term "lie", as in intentionally deceitful, did not exist in any native language on the African continent, until after the European invasion.

unblock

(52,208 posts)
6. similarly, english has no word for intential truth-telling.
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 03:37 PM
Jun 2014

in fact, i'm not sure any language has.

maybe we should invent a word.

veracification?

*** edit:

i meant as a verb --> to veracify?

Glorfindel

(9,729 posts)
10. How about "veracity"?
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 03:51 PM
Jun 2014

from dictionary.com: "Habitual observance of truth in speech or statement; truthfulness: He was not noted for his veracity." The opposite of mendacity, habitual lying.

unblock

(52,208 posts)
20. but that's to tell if someone else is lying or not.
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 05:28 PM
Jun 2014

i mean, you can say "i'm lying" but you can't say "i'm truthing".

"i'm verifying" means something else, that you're checking the truth of another statement, not the act of telling the truth itself.

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
12. I think I'll includerate "embiggens" in my conversations from now on.
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 04:04 PM
Jun 2014

Also, my family uses the word, "enpantsed." Because sometimes we forget to be enpantsed.

unblock

(52,208 posts)
5. a russian-speaking co-worker once struggled for an english word and came up with "tri-head"
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 03:34 PM
Jun 2014

most of the room cracked up thinking he had said "try head".

i cracked up because the english word he was looking for was "troika", which, of course, was stolen from russian.


part of the problem with these sort of question is that language is fluid and english in particular is quite aggressive in stealing words from other languages.

ennui, soufflé, bon-bons, etc.

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
13. I think I remember reading in the novel "Smilla's Sense of Snow" that aboriginal Greenlandic people
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 04:05 PM
Jun 2014

have dozens of words for different textures and kinds of snow.

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
14. I believe that technically they don't actually have any words at all.
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 04:08 PM
Jun 2014

I think those languages are agglomerative - they split into stems and prefixes and suffixes, rather than into words and sentences.

That may just be a myth, though.

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