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Atmospheric CO2 Crosses "Ominous Threshold"
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/24370-atmospheric-co2-crosses-ominous-threshold
Despite the widespread governmental denial of anthropogenic climate disruption, many signs indicate we are already past the point of no return, headed toward a "dead planet."
"I am poor and naked, but I am the chief of the nation. We do not want riches but we do want to train our children right. Riches would do us no good. We could not take them with us to the other world. We do not want riches."
- Red Cloud, Oglala Lakota Sioux
At the beginning of June, the Obama administration proudly announced the EPA's so-called Clean Power Plan, the goal of which is to cut carbon pollution from power plants by 30 percent below 2005 levels by 2030. It was trumpeted as the strongest proposal ever put forth by a US president to reign in greenhouse gas emissions.
However, Kevin Bundy with the Center for Biological Diversity's Climate Law Institute was unimpressed, commenting, "This is like fighting a wildfire with a garden hose - we're glad the president has finally turned the water on, but it's just not enough to get the job done."
I wish, if we were going to do ourselves in, we wouldn't take every other species with us....
msongs
(67,401 posts)Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)We might take many, or even most of the current lifeforms down with us, especially the animal kingdom, but things will evolve to suit the new environments.
pscot
(21,024 posts)How can you not feel anything for what's being lost; disappearing? For all the other ceatures who shared this Paradise with us. But I guess that's why we're willing to piss it all away. We're too callous and stupid to give a shit.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)There is *nothing* that conclusively indicates that we have passed a mythical "point of no return" with the sole possible exception of summertime Arctic ice cover).....and there is certainly nothing that indicates that we're at risk for a dead planet.
And yes, I realize this is one of the most important issues facing modern humanity. No need to overblow it......
Prophet 451
(9,796 posts)As I understand it, that collapse is self-sustaining and stands to add six to ten feet to sea level.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)Yes, I do realize that it may be too late for summertime Arctic ice.....and perhaps even part or whole of the ice shelf in the West Antarctic.
But in a general sense, though? No, it's not too late. We can do this. We must.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)end it as we know it and enjoy it.
Sea rise will cause dislocations, global strife, and climatic realignments, but as awful events go, I'm more afraid of acidifying the seas...a return to something like the late Permian dead tropical seas would be ecopocalyptic.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)Atmospheric CO2 has gone beyond the tipping point. Here's your indication that we have passed a point of no return that is anything but "mythical"...
http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/
May 2014: 401.85 ppm <--- We officially passed the point of no return!
May 2013: 399.76 ppm
Calista241
(5,586 posts)Are CO2 levels artificially high? Yes.
If we did nothing, will this kill off our civilization? Probably.
Contrary to what a lot of people believe, humans have the capability to solve problems. Yes, currently, we do not have the technology to economically remove those pesky carbon atoms from all that wonderful oxygen up there. But that does not mean that at some point before we kill ourselves, some brilliant scientist will accomplish what is currently impossible.
I mean, scientists sent us to the moon, and that was just to beat the Russians. Can you imagine what they'll do to stave off extinction?
As Neil deGrasse Tyson said, we're currently in the denial phase. Pretty soon we'll all come to terms with what we've been doing and begin to look for solutions to heal our planet.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)Some very good points here; and yes, I agree with Dr. Tyson as well; we, as a collective(even if not at all as individuals!) are still somewhat in a sense of denial, that is definitely coming to an end.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)some hoped-for scientific genius.
Calista241
(5,586 posts)And even right wingers will eventually see the light. There's no real foundational reason for conservatives to be against believing in climate change. For the time being, the right money is in the right hands to prevent the truth from becoming the platform. I saw a stat recently where some significant minority of the republican party believed in climate change anyway.
In 10 years, the repubs will be all for saving the environment. And they'll have 1/2 of the country believing it was their idea in the first place.
IDemo
(16,926 posts)WASHINGTON, June 16 (UPI) --As world leaders try to generate momentum for an international agreement on and solution to climate change, large amounts of coal continue to be produced and burned. In fact, coal consumption now accounts for more than 30 percent of the world's energy market -- its highest share in 44 years.
According to a recently released report, the "BP Statistical Review of World Energy 2014," coal consumption grew three percent in 2013 -- more than any other energy source.
That's a dip from coal's ten year average; consumption of the fuel has grown nearly 4 percent per year over the last decade.
It's bad news for those who had hoped alternative and renewable energy sources would cut into the dominance of dirtier, more traditional sources like coal. Although renewables continue to grow, especially wind and solar, they can't keep up with cheaper and more popular competitors like coal.
Read more: http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2014/06/16/Worldwide-coal-consumption-reaches-44-year-high/1341402950352/#ixzz34qs6RZfZ