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MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 07:20 PM Jun 2014

PREDICTION: If GOP loses the House, Lame Duck Session WILL Impeach Obama.

Count on it. The pieces of crap on the GOP side would do it out of spite on their way out the door to tarnish Obama's legacy.

And no Republican would be willing to vote against impeachment.

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PREDICTION: If GOP loses the House, Lame Duck Session WILL Impeach Obama. (Original Post) MohRokTah Jun 2014 OP
Really, really, really, really, really dumb prediction. HERVEPA Jun 2014 #1
but it's all the rage Puzzledtraveller Jun 2014 #66
Yup HERVEPA Jun 2014 #70
I think they will impeach him, when I am not sure... randys1 Jun 2014 #2
ridiculous. same old same old cali Jun 2014 #4
I get it that they might want to stick it to the guy one last time. Ken Burch Jun 2014 #64
No they won't. How the fuck would they do that if they don't control cali Jun 2014 #3
after the election and before the new congress takes office randys1 Jun 2014 #7
On what grounds? They would need to make very specific legal accusations. Gravitycollapse Jun 2014 #9
An impeachable offense is whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be.... Brother Buzz Jun 2014 #23
And I do not agree that a majority of the House would be able to agree on a specific accusation. Gravitycollapse Jun 2014 #29
I do not disagree Brother Buzz Jun 2014 #31
and so what? I personally wish they would do it shortly befor the election themaguffin Jun 2014 #74
On the grounds of being President while Black groundloop Jun 2014 #48
Are you trying to argue that they will file charges against Barack Obama for being black? Gravitycollapse Jun 2014 #52
I see some folks need a sarcasm tag even for the obvious groundloop Jun 2014 #72
What part of Lame Duck Session don't you understand? MohRokTah Jun 2014 #8
ooh, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa. still a stupid as dirt prediction. Happy? cali Jun 2014 #10
lol! you must get your lessons in apologies from judge roy bean: unblock Jun 2014 #38
There's the period between elections and assuming office Scootaloo Jun 2014 #54
I'm genuinely surprised they haven't already Prophet 451 Jun 2014 #5
Many Republicans would be willing to vote against impeachment. Gravitycollapse Jun 2014 #6
Very unlikely the GOP loses the House in Nov. HooptieWagon Jun 2014 #11
Oh the GOP will lose the House in November 2014 underthematrix Jun 2014 #13
No one credible thinks the GOP will lose the House. former9thward Jun 2014 #20
So come Nov. 5th, will you apologize for being wrong? IronGate Jun 2014 #35
Do you believe any polls are reputable or legitimate? I'd appreciate any insight thanks.nt Mnemosyne Jun 2014 #36
Polls generally get it right, IronGate Jun 2014 #37
I'm still stinging from the exit polls in 2004. nt Mnemosyne Jun 2014 #42
Perfect case in point. IronGate Jun 2014 #59
Regardless of what the polls say, there is precedent for mid-terms Art_from_Ark Jun 2014 #39
Thanks Art. I would so love to see that precedent change and shock all the pols/polls. Mnemosyne Jun 2014 #41
Yes, you can dream Art_from_Ark Jun 2014 #43
I believe that in PA, with cross-filing allowed, many good Dem's voting for a straight ticket, have Mnemosyne Jun 2014 #44
The problem, if you will, with my district Art_from_Ark Jun 2014 #46
Does Arkansas have cross-filing? I've found it difficult to research many states on this issue in Mnemosyne Jun 2014 #47
If by "cross-filing" you mean "running as a candidate for 2 or more parties", Art_from_Ark Jun 2014 #58
Not one reputable poll indicated Cantor was going to lose his seat, either jmowreader Jun 2014 #63
I believe they are screaming "impeachment" just to plant the seed Frustratedlady Jun 2014 #14
Good movie plot... immoderate Jun 2014 #12
would be difficult without the majority votes samsingh Jun 2014 #15
The GOP will be the majority still. MohRokTah Jun 2014 #16
don't they have to get the senate to agree? samsingh Jun 2014 #17
The House impeaches. MohRokTah Jun 2014 #18
gotcha samsingh Jun 2014 #21
If they get the Senate, they'd convict on politics alone. This is not the same GOP as Clinton had. freshwest Jun 2014 #50
Takes a 2/3 vote in the Senate to convict. MohRokTah Jun 2014 #51
Well at least that won't happen... Thanks for the reminder. freshwest Jun 2014 #55
Someone would make the argument that it wouldn't carry over to the next session NYC Liberal Jun 2014 #19
They would be right, too. MohRokTah Jun 2014 #22
True. OTOH, it really didn't tarnish Clinton. NYC Liberal Jun 2014 #49
Except that the GOP WON'T lose the House...not even close. brooklynite Jun 2014 #24
They might as well. They're not doing anything else. NV Whino Jun 2014 #25
Doesn't seem likely to me because elleng Jun 2014 #26
What would be the point? Calista241 Jun 2014 #27
Tarnishing Obama's legacy. MohRokTah Jun 2014 #28
It would be obvious to everyone Calista241 Jun 2014 #30
ALL impeachments are political decisions made for political reasons with little basis in fact. MohRokTah Jun 2014 #32
Well, whatever Calista241 Jun 2014 #33
I wuldn't put their chance of losing the House at zero MohRokTah Jun 2014 #34
No they won't n/t Lil Missy Jun 2014 #40
Of course Egnever Jun 2014 #45
I find the lack of knowledge about politics being displayed here amazing. HERVEPA Jun 2014 #53
Absolutely. onenote Jun 2014 #73
That is ridiculous, they won't lose the House, the fix is in n/t doc03 Jun 2014 #56
. MohRokTah Jun 2014 #57
The "fix" most definitely IS in, in the form of the districts we're stuck with Warren DeMontague Jun 2014 #60
Swing and a miss.... doxydad Jun 2014 #61
Please explain how Senate elections can be gerrymandered n/t Lurks Often Jun 2014 #68
+the largest number in the universe onenote Jun 2014 #69
Why would they bother? Ken Burch Jun 2014 #62
Impeachment will be used by the GOP at some point Gothmog Jun 2014 #65
The GOP isn't going to lose the House BainsBane Jun 2014 #67
Between November and January? Boom Sound 416 Jun 2014 #71
Impeach for what? bigwillq Jun 2014 #75
They'll make something up. MohRokTah Jun 2014 #76
So what? truebluegreen Jun 2014 #77

randys1

(16,286 posts)
2. I think they will impeach him, when I am not sure...
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 07:23 PM
Jun 2014

But the teaparty exists solely due to racism and hatred of Black president, so I am predicting impeachment as well.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
64. I get it that they might want to stick it to the guy one last time.
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 05:23 AM
Jun 2014

But you'd think they'd remember that impeaching Clinton didn't actually end up having any effect on the guy-he just kept on being president anyway.

They know they don't have the votes to actually remove Obama from office. And that even if they did, they'd end up making Biden a sure winner for a full term in '16.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
3. No they won't. How the fuck would they do that if they don't control
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 07:23 PM
Jun 2014

committees? It's virtually impossible.

ridiculous.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
7. after the election and before the new congress takes office
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 07:31 PM
Jun 2014

but i dont think they will lose the house, i do think they will try and impeach at some point

Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
9. On what grounds? They would need to make very specific legal accusations.
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 07:34 PM
Jun 2014

Impeachment is an indictment which requires substantial evidence of misconduct.

There is a difference between going on TV to talk about how Obama is breaking the law and going into committee to present evidence for an indictment. They aren't stupid. They know they have nothing.

The only thing an impeachment attempt would accomplish after losing the House would be to totally solidify their public collapse.

Brother Buzz

(36,431 posts)
23. An impeachable offense is whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be....
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 08:18 PM
Jun 2014

at a given moment in history; conviction results from whatever offense or offenses two-thirds of the other body considers to be sufficiently serious to require removal of the accused from office. - Gerald Ford

Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
29. And I do not agree that a majority of the House would be able to agree on a specific accusation.
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 08:30 PM
Jun 2014

Mostly because no sane member of the House would ever agree with an impeachment accusation that has zero evidence simply because the House majority will have been lost. As I've said, that action would merely solidify their public collapse.

These people are lawmakers. In other words ,they are political opportunists. There's nothing to be gained from committing political suicide just before being booted out of office. The GOP would never endorse such an action.

themaguffin

(3,826 posts)
74. and so what? I personally wish they would do it shortly befor the election
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 09:03 PM
Jun 2014

to help ensure a Dem landslide...

groundloop

(11,519 posts)
48. On the grounds of being President while Black
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 11:06 PM
Jun 2014

That's the only grounds most of the tea-baggers need to go through with it.

Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
52. Are you trying to argue that they will file charges against Barack Obama for being black?
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 11:12 PM
Jun 2014

Or did you simply not understand what I said?

unblock

(52,227 posts)
38. lol! you must get your lessons in apologies from judge roy bean:
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 09:58 PM
Jun 2014
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068853/quotes?ref_=tt_ql_3

Judge Roy Bean: [Bean apologizes to the marshals' wives] I understand you have taken exception to my calling you whores. I'm sorry. I apologize. I ask you to note that I did not call you callous-ass strumpets, fornicatresses, or low-born gutter sluts. But I did say "whores." No escaping that. And for that slip of the tongue, I apologize.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
54. There's the period between elections and assuming office
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 11:16 PM
Jun 2014

I think they'll try. Or at least, I wouldn't put it past them.

And i wouldn't put it past Democratic lawmakers to join in "in the spirit of bipartisanship"

Prophet 451

(9,796 posts)
5. I'm genuinely surprised they haven't already
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 07:24 PM
Jun 2014

I know he wouldn't be convicted by the Senate but I'm honestly surprised that the House haven't already started impeachment.

Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
6. Many Republicans would be willing to vote against impeachment.
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 07:28 PM
Jun 2014

Not to mention the impeachment process has to go through multiple committees. The odds of such a process being successful in the House portion of impeachment proceedings is exceptionally low.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
11. Very unlikely the GOP loses the House in Nov.
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 07:38 PM
Jun 2014

And I doubt the GOP establishment will allow an impeachment vote to take place... it would be suicide.
If, and a very big IF, all the GOP leadership would lose, and teabaggers managed to gain control Speaker, Majority Leader, Whip, the Committee Chairs, etc... then an impeachment vote is likely, since the teabaggers are more interested in throwing bombs than governing. But its unlikely they will gain such control.

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
13. Oh the GOP will lose the House in November 2014
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 07:47 PM
Jun 2014

Because as much as FOX HATE NEWS VIEWERS hate the black president, they are not gonna give up their O-care or the chance to get O-care for their children just because they hate the president

 

IronGate

(2,186 posts)
35. So come Nov. 5th, will you apologize for being wrong?
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 09:30 PM
Jun 2014

Because not one reputable poll says they'll lose the House.

 

IronGate

(2,186 posts)
37. Polls generally get it right,
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 09:56 PM
Jun 2014

there have been some spectacular misfires, but for the most part, they do get it right.

 

IronGate

(2,186 posts)
59. Perfect case in point.
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 12:04 AM
Jun 2014

I was sure from the exit polls that John Kerry was our next president, that was a major misfire.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
39. Regardless of what the polls say, there is precedent for mid-terms
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 10:03 PM
Jun 2014

The precedent is that no party in the White House has ever retaken the House in a mid-term election in more than 100 years (that is, at least 26 mid-term elections). For that matter, no party in the White House has ever won more than 9 House seats in a mid-term during that time. And the party in the White House has had a net gain of Congressional seats in only 3 of those 26 mid-terms.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_midterm_election

Mnemosyne

(21,363 posts)
41. Thanks Art. I would so love to see that precedent change and shock all the pols/polls.
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 10:30 PM
Jun 2014

With the usual low turn out, it seems impossible anyway. But I can dream, can't I?

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
43. Yes, you can dream
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 10:37 PM
Jun 2014

It would be nice to take back the House this year, but that may be a tall order. And I don't even get a chance to help take back the House this year, as the only two candidates in my district (AR-3) are a Republican and a Libertarian. And there wasn't a Democratic candidate in the previous election, either (He was forced to drop out after apparently fudging on his military record )

Mnemosyne

(21,363 posts)
44. I believe that in PA, with cross-filing allowed, many good Dem's voting for a straight ticket, have
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 10:47 PM
Jun 2014

allowed many of those sneaky bastards to run as D's and R's, and consequentially voted them in. I try to educate, but most voters do not go as in depth as we do here.

It really burns my butt that it is allowed at all. They rarely put their party on their posters either. Just plain dirty tricks.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
46. The problem, if you will, with my district
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 10:58 PM
Jun 2014

is that it is the richest district in Arkansas. It's home to Wal-Mart, Tyson's, the main campus of the University of Arkansas, and the state's largest (and extremely wealthy) retirement community, and it has the 2nd largest airport in the state. And it's had a Republican Congressman since 1967. So the rest of the state looks to the 3rd district and thinks that since the 3rd district is relatively rich and always has a Republican in the House, then maybe they can also get rich by having a Republican in the House (of course, there are the usual wedge issues at play as well). So the state has gone from 3D-to-1R in the House, to 4R's at the current time. But there is some hope of retaking at least one of those seats this year.

Mnemosyne

(21,363 posts)
47. Does Arkansas have cross-filing? I've found it difficult to research many states on this issue in
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 11:02 PM
Jun 2014

the past. I think they may call it something different in other states, possibly to cover their asses. Don't know...

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
58. If by "cross-filing" you mean "running as a candidate for 2 or more parties",
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 12:03 AM
Jun 2014

then Arkansas does allow it. I think it's actually pretty rare, but I would have to check up on that. Arkansas also has open primaries where anyone can vote in either the D or R primary (but not both).

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
63. Not one reputable poll indicated Cantor was going to lose his seat, either
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 05:21 AM
Jun 2014

The reputable polls had that race Cantor +16.

Here's reality: We have a Congress whose signature achievements include failing to repeal Obamacare sixty times, launching fifteen investigations into an attack on a diplomatic outpost in the middle of a war zone, and refusing to do anything to help the people who voted to send them there. Your voter chooses his candidate based on one overarching question: what can you do for me? This Congress has done less for The People than any other Congress in history. And people are noticing.

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
14. I believe they are screaming "impeachment" just to plant the seed
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 07:48 PM
Jun 2014

in voters' minds that Obama and Democrats are as crooked as you can get, so don't vote for them.

However, in the process, they are disgusting even their own party. Voters may vote against them for being so unprofessional and juvenile or stay home.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
16. The GOP will be the majority still.
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 07:56 PM
Jun 2014

They lose on November 4th, they still have absolute control of the House until January 2, 2015.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
18. The House impeaches.
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 08:00 PM
Jun 2014

The Senate then holds the trial.

Andrew Johnson was impeached, but wasn't convicted.

Bill Clinton was impeached, but wasn't convicted.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
50. If they get the Senate, they'd convict on politics alone. This is not the same GOP as Clinton had.
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 11:09 PM
Jun 2014

This GOP shut down the government as they did in Clinton's day, but also threatened default and put on foul protests. This GOP owns the M$M.

They're are threatening another default and are fighing alleviating bad conditions for Americans. They support the Bundys and the rest, if not in word, they are in deed, with their elected officials fighting everything.

They want chaos to let their masters take over the entire country. The impeachment of Obama could cause civil unrest, and they know it. They would sit back and let it happen and laugh, like they did with shutdown.

I don't put anything past these guys, not anymore.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
51. Takes a 2/3 vote in the Senate to convict.
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 11:12 PM
Jun 2014

They'd need 67 votes which means they'd need double digits of Dems to convict if they took the Senate.

NYC Liberal

(20,136 posts)
19. Someone would make the argument that it wouldn't carry over to the next session
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 08:05 PM
Jun 2014

and that they'd have to vote again.

Just like a law, you can't have the old House vote for a bill in one session and have the new Senate vote for it in the next.

It applies to bills; why wouldn't it apply to impeachment? I know it happened with Clinton but I always wondered why nobody challenged it on those grounds.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
22. They would be right, too.
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 08:11 PM
Jun 2014

But it would not alter the fact that Obama would be impeached like only two other presidents before him.

And that is why the bastards would do it, too. No other reason, just to tarnish Obama's legacy.

elleng

(130,905 posts)
26. Doesn't seem likely to me because
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 08:23 PM
Jun 2014

of their lack of organization. NOT much time, and no Leader with experience. But anything's possible.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
28. Tarnishing Obama's legacy.
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 08:30 PM
Jun 2014

Impeachment tarnished Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton.

It would be the last desperate act they could commit.

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
30. It would be obvious to everyone
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 08:33 PM
Jun 2014

That this would be a political decision made for political reasons and had little basis in fact. Even tea party hobos want to be taken seriously.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
32. ALL impeachments are political decisions made for political reasons with little basis in fact.
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 08:38 PM
Jun 2014

When an impeachment of a president was going to be actually based upon real wrongdoing by that president, the president resigned before the impeachment could ever happen.

The other two impeachments were 100% political with little basis in fact that a high crime or misdemeanor had been committed.

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
33. Well, whatever
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 08:42 PM
Jun 2014

The reps have around zero chance of losing the house, so I won't hold my breath on your prediction.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
60. The "fix" most definitely IS in, in the form of the districts we're stuck with
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 04:57 AM
Jun 2014

The GOP isnt going to lose the house. I wish they would, but i give that slim to nil odds of happening.

Exceedingly slim.

doxydad

(1,363 posts)
61. Swing and a miss....
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 05:08 AM
Jun 2014

This will never happen. I got no idea how the OP came up with this, but unfortunately, due to the gerrymandering, andmassive ignorance of voters, the Senate may fall to the Tea Hadists. Impeachment? For WHAT?

onenote

(42,702 posts)
69. +the largest number in the universe
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 08:52 AM
Jun 2014

The ignorance of our political system demonstrated by some DUers (including several on this thread) is disheartening.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
62. Why would they bother?
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 05:18 AM
Jun 2014

They impeached Clinton, and it ended up totally not mattering.

I think they'd remember that.

Gothmog

(145,231 posts)
65. Impeachment will be used by the GOP at some point
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 08:18 AM
Jun 2014

The GOP has too many tea-baggers not to try this stunt

BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
67. The GOP isn't going to lose the House
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 08:28 AM
Jun 2014

and they stand a very good chance of taking the Senate. That's simply a function of the seats that are up for grabs.

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