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Eleanor CliftHillary Clinton has been a divisive figure for decades. The controversies erupting around her new memoir promise more of the same down the road.
I first interviewed Hillary Clinton in the fall of 1991, shortly after her husband announced for president, an era when political wives with ambition and a law degree were still rarities on the campaign trail. Her unflinching advocacy for issues that stirred women made her a target from the beginning, and the following spring, when Vice President Dan Quayle attacked sit-com character Murphy Brown for her fictional out-of-wedlock child, the culture wars flared and became part of the presidential contest between President George H.W. Bush, a Greatest Generation war hero, and the baby-boomer Clintons, Buy one, get one free.
It seemed preposterous for Quayle to assail a made-up television newswoman for her poverty of values, but Democrats suspected it wasnt the long-running CBS show that Quayle was after, but the hard-charging Hillary new on the national scene and a role model for women. Newsweek noted that cultural pioneers get high ratings in Hollywood, but make people nervous on the campaign trail. In a presidential race that could turn on the question of values, the magazine harrumphed that a candidate can ill afford to have a wife who somehow seems to symbolize the wrong ones.
Republicans had great fun at their 92 convention portraying Clinton as a radical feminist with a Rasputin-like influence over her husband to implement her not-so-hidden agenda. Even the headband she once favored took on an ominous tone. The assault on Clinton backfired, but it silenced her for much of the fall campaign. A cartoon on the final weekend showed Bill Clinton assuring a box with air holes, Only a few days more, Hillary. On election night, with victory in hand and his voice gone, Clinton turned the podium over to Hillary. A campaign staffer in Little Rock, watching TV, yelled, Hey guys, the headbands back.
Twenty-odd years later, Clinton is no longer the avatar of radical feminists but a center-right politician who has to worry about her left flank, and whose values as a mother, soon-to-be grandmother, and steadfast wife are no longer questioned. In an interview with The New York Times Book Review, she was asked to name one book that made you who you are today. She cites the Bible, calling it the biggest influence on my thinking. Laugh if you will, for what politician could go wrong citing the Bible, but those who know Clinton say this is for real. Lissa Muscatine, her longtime confidante and speechwriter, told The Washington Post there are three things that explain Hillary. Shes a Midwesterner, hard-working and earnest; shes a Methodist, which drives her commitment to social justice; and she was born in the middle of the last century, which put her on the trajectory of the womens movement.
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Ron Green
(9,822 posts)Just as Obama has represented one thing to the sound-bite media culture and actually been something quite different, Ms. Clinton is not the reality we need at this time.
Beacool
(30,247 posts)The one reliable thing about DU, the daily let's hate Hillary post. It doesn't matter that it's a positive article, the haters will crap on it in 10 seconds flat.
Don, why do you even bother posting articles on Hillary? She's obviously not liked by some here. Post articles on Warren and Sanders. You'll get a lot of positive comments.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)Wouldn't want the Beacool eye roll smiley to get lost in a long thread.
Beacool
(30,247 posts)and you just proved my point.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)bigtree
(85,996 posts). . .I wouldn't allow myself to be cowed from posting articles favorable to Clinton. There are plenty of people out here who would welcome a Clinton presidency. Let's not forget the record number of votes she got in the primary. Those folks deserve their say about Hillary, as well.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)Or pictures.
bigtree
(85,996 posts). . . lot's of folks here who enjoy the images of our pols without resorting to childish ridicule.
btw, obvious, I have a huge resource of original articles that you can read and respond to anytime. I wrote over 260 articles and essays about Iraq, Iran, Syria, and other impulses to war. Missed you on those threads.
You kinda look foolish ragging on me for the pic posts when you can't even be bothered to participate in the substantive ones I post. That makes your taunting about pics I post (repeated here, and on to several other posts of mine) not only childish, but ignorant, as well.
This moniker you've chosen for yourself makes everything you post look like a joke, but I just get meanness and spite from you behind that cynical facade of yours. Not funny at all, sort of sad.
Beacool
(30,247 posts)It's on DU that the hate fest is allowed 24/7. It has gone beyond politics, it's now personal. It doesn't matter if a post is innocuous, the sh*t throwers take practice shots. It's the kind of blind hatred that I see on RW sites, but this one calls itself Democratic. I guess it's only Democratic if they like the Democrat in question. If they don't, the mud is flung with abandon.
Well, if Hillary does choose to run, it will suck to be them.
bigtree
(85,996 posts). . . maybe they'll head over to Discussionist, and leave us to defeating the republican nominee.
Beacool
(30,247 posts)I was not an Obama fan and I didn't leave.
We might lose the Senate, but all I see is post after post attacking Hillary. If we have a Republican Congress, it won't much matter which Democrat is our nominee in 2016. That person will have a very rough time in the WH. That is, if they even win the election.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)which are important to them. This attitude that an election is somehow wrong, that to vet a candidate and challenge them on their positions, past positions and future agendas is not to be embraced but avoided.
Any candidate who steps up will face opposition, will face voters who need to be persuaded and that is how is should be.
Of all the politicians in the world, it was Hillary's rejection of equality that stung most of all. What she could have been, what she could have done as an advocate would have been valuable. The LGBT community gave Bill unprecedented support that was at that time unearned by this Party. First chance they got, they both started preaching against marriage equality with strident words mentioning their very clearly practiced 'faith'. This was a choice they each made, and that choice will be challenged and questioned.
If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
frylock
(34,825 posts)MineralMan
(146,288 posts)Politics. A funny thing.
In any case, the people will decide about Hillary during the primaries in 2016, assuming she runs. All of this talk is premature in the extreme.
Nobody has declared candidacy, and nobody will until after the November, 2014 election.
GOTV 2014 and beyond!
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)And believe it to be the best predictor of her future actions.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)as the Party has changed such that a "Goldwater Girl" is now in the mainstream of the Democratic Party.
Beacool
(30,247 posts)Hillary = Goldwater girl at 17
Warren = Republican at 46
Romulox
(25,960 posts)Beacool
(30,247 posts)I don't think she's any more conservative than Obama, Biden and plenty of other Democrats.
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)Pretty much applies to any politician.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)barring all the deceptive facades.
Beacool
(30,247 posts)Most here have never even met the woman, let alone had a meaningful conversation with her. Yet, you are all so quick to criticize and pass judgment.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)in the meaningful conversations you've had with her.
What were the topics? Idle chit chat or geopolitical issues?
How often do you get to talk?
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)To expose all of the undue hatred being dumped on Clinton in this thread.
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)Take Elizabeth Warren, who I'll be more than happy to support, work for and donate to in a general election.
Her most ardent supporters see her as a crusader for economic justice.
Her most vocal opponents see her as a recent former Republican whose views on things outside of economics haven't been thoroughly vetted.
I see her as someone whose heart is in the right place, who appears to be a fighter, but who hasn't really had any raging partisan battles yet and who hasn't really accomplished much in her short time as a senator. But I trust she's sincere in what she wants to accomplish.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)largest unaddressed issue facing the country. The economic divide, and the incredibly lopsided amount of power business and the wealthy has over the other 99% of actual humans in the country.
Warren doesn't need to carry Dems on social issues - Congress can do that just fine, and Warren can simply sign off on social legislation. What we lack in DC are many people actually fighting to reverse the flow of wealth from the many to the few. Even on the Democratic side of the aisle, many are more concerned with the needs of business and the wealthy that they call 'job creators'.
We've made great social strides. It would be nice of we could get a President into office who will fight the needed economic fight. I think Warren's push to get the CFPB (did I get that abbreviation right?) created shows that that's a fight she's willing to take on.