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Obama is always so methodical and patient I think this serves him and our country well but this morning the right wing media swill has me down

How he is seen ... He's too busy getting stuff done.

Enough to give another troop to this cause and another trillion dollars down the tube and into the hands of Halliburton. I am to the point when Cheney says something to rush in the opposite direction to keep the boat from sinking. He is a miserable soul.

Why this cavalcade of corrupt and calamitous criminals and their coordinators gets ink and airtime is beyond me.

(I'm getting paid by the C today)

Love it.

But the talk shows are still having these jerks on every Sunday, like their opinions are worth more than a steaming pile of crap.

Those guys are just like a bad penny. They are all psychopaths of one sort or another. It's never their fault. And they love being in the limelight.

What's next? John Ashcroft singing, "Let the Eagle Soar"?

I would fully support sending Wolfowitz, Cheney and Kristol into Iraq. I would arm them with AR-15s, canteens and some sunblock. I would tell Wolfowitz and Kristol to stay away from Cheney though. Let them be the tip of the spear of democracy if they are so hot for battle.

Although the neocons have no conscious because they feel GAWD is on their side.

Get them Harry! Oh by the way, as usual corporate media interviews 90% of GOPers over Dems.

is to be on the right side of history, rationality, common sense, morality . . .

Finally! The Democratic party is standing up and pushing back aggressively to the war hawks. Keep it up all the way through 2016.

The only sound I want coming from the Shrub and his Dick is the sound of their necks snapping from the gibbet for the sport of their own crows.

of the country", right?

for something you thought was a good idea at the time, too, takes some of the edge of that point.

"Not in any way, but you have to admit that slamming someone elses judgement for something you thought was a good idea at the time, too, takes some of the edge of that point."

...one doesn't have to "admit" anything of the sort. Your comment is basically an attempt to claim that Reid lacks some credibility in criticizing Cheney. Reid's point stands, no "edge" taken. Reid is not equivalent to Cheney on Iraq.

It's a well-deserved and strong smack down.

But his vote still makes him culpable in what happened.

"But his vote still makes him culpable in what happened."

...one who believed that Bush/Cheney should get a pass. I don't blame everyone who voted for the IWR (some of them would have followed the same path, some would have been a hell of a lot more responsible) for the Bush launching the war.

Does anyone believe that with the information coming out after the IWR vote, any other President/VP would have, like the Bush administration, simply ignored the fact that they could be wrong and introduce new lies to rush to invade Iraq?

Bush's 16 words still hotly debated
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/07/20/sprj.irq.wmd.investigation/

How Powerful Can 16 Words Be?
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0720-09.htm

Is there a more blatant example of callousness and manipulativeness than the depravity of launching an invasion based on your own lie?

people act like voting for the IWR meant that BUsh was forced to go to war. or that if the IWR didn't pass they think he wouldn't have gone.

and then to act as if that has anything to do with going after Cheney now ?????????

"and then to act as if that has anything to do with going after Cheney now ?????????"

Remember the 2006 election? Kerry-Feingold was in play, and no matter how much they tried to push this and lay the blame for invading Iraq in Bush/Cheney's lap, someone was always there to deflect with: but Democrats voted for the war.

I mean, WTF? It was as if they weren't allowed to demand set a date and demand withdrawal because of the IWR.

Democratic opposition to the Iraq war played a huge role in Democrats' 2006 election gains.

Did you believe the Bush administration's lies, ProSense? Think back, it's 2003. The columbia disaster had just happened. belgium legalized gay marriage. people were still trying to convince themselves that Nickelback made good music. And Bush is telling the nation we need to attack iraq because reasons.

Did you believe him?

If not... that puts you well ahead of Harry Reid on that particular issue.

I hold Harry Reid responsible for his vote. Either he was mentally absent that day - in which case fuck him - or he was aware it was bullshit but voted in favor anyway - in which case, still fuck him.

"Yes, they propagated the lies. And whether he believed those lies or not, Reid voted for war."

...you seem to be putting the emphasis on Reid for lies told after the IWR vote.

Again, does anyone believe that with the information coming out after the IWR vote, any other President/VP would have, like the Bush administration, simply ignored the fact that they could be wrong and introduce new lies to rush to invade Iraq?

As I said, had these warmongers listened to Kennedy, even Hagel, and waited a few months, the lies would have been destroyed.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025116163#post29

Please stop lying about what I have very clearly stated, ProSense.

Reid - along with 28 other Democratic senators and 82 Democratic Representatives, voted to give president Bush authority to use military force against iraq if he chose to do so.

Now, the war is still Bush's fault for choosing to use that authority, and i have little doubt that even if the resolution had failed, he would have "executive privileged" his way into a war anyway.

But this does not change the votes of Harry Reid, or any of hte others, who basically approved a war several months before bombs started dropping.

Or are you going to tell me that when presented with legislation titled "Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq" they never dreamed that military force would be used?

A drunk driver is his own fault, but that doesn't mean the bartender who let him stumble out the door, keys in hand, is free of all responsibility.

"Please stop lying about what I have very clearly stated, ProSense. "

You're accusing me of "lying" because you responded to my point about the aftermath of the IWR vote by stating that you're focusing on Reid's vote?

Here's what I said:

I'm sorry ProSense, I can't compartmentalize my perception of reality like you apparently can, so i'm forced to recognize the constant drumbeat of bullshit leading to the war on Iraq, instead of pretending it only started after the vote on the resolution.

Reid and the others got had, they should have fucking known better, and I hold them responsible for fucking up on this. Any of them could have called any random Democratic voter in their states and districts, and gotten the correct answer, becuase we knew better. Why didn't our representatives and Senators?

And yes, iIam doing it in a thread about his smackdown of Cheney. Because Harry Reid's powder-drying ass should have diverted this smackdown in October of 2002 before slapping his hand down on the "NAY" button. Better late than never perhaps, but it's still too late.

And the lies before the vote?

...they were "lies."

"I'm sorry ProSense, I can't compartmentalize my perception of reality like you apparently can, so i'm forced to recognize the constant drumbeat of bullshit leading to the war on Iraq, instead of pretending it only started after the vote on the resolution. "

You can't recognize that Bush/Cheney lied after the vote and ignored the warnings not to launch the invasion?

Why exactly is that so hard? I mean, why is it so hard that in a thread about Reid smacking down Cheney's BS, you need to deflect to Reid's IWR vote?

qualified.. The so called "people" blaming Pres Obama are the braindead idiots who bought bush's LIES in the first place.



Thank you, napkinz!

to pass and Of course bushco didn't take it. So cheney can stfu now and that goes for Wyoming liz too.