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kentuck

(111,094 posts) Wed Jun 18, 2014, 10:03 PM Jun 2014

Would Obama have won election of 2012 if he had left troops in Iraq??

I doubt it. Since it was his opposition to the war in the first place that helped him to win the White House.

If he had been so foolish, we would be talking about the options for President Romney right now. And there would have been tremendous pressure on whomever was President to bring our troops home. The American people were fed up with the mess in Iraq.

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Would Obama have won election of 2012 if he had left troops in Iraq?? (Original Post) kentuck Jun 2014 OP

Yes....Iraq was not piviotal. FarPoint Jun 2014 #1

yes, and you think people opposed to staying in Iraq would have voted for Romney ? JI7 Jun 2014 #2

A lot of people would not have voted for Obama... kentuck Jun 2014 #4

The agreement to remove troops from Iraq Egnever Jun 2014 #3

He couldn't have done it! Bush had already signed the agreement. delrem Jun 2014 #5

He could have done it... kentuck Jun 2014 #7

There neither was nor is any reason why Maliki would "renegotiate" the agreement he struck. delrem Jun 2014 #9

I agree that he was bound by the agreement... kentuck Jun 2014 #10

I could give a shit about what you say Maliki "was not averse to". delrem Jun 2014 #13

Goodness gracious... kentuck Jun 2014 #14

I'm doing fine. I'm just explaining a few things to you. nt delrem Jun 2014 #15

I think there was a great opposition to Romney and the GOP, Iraq may have been an issue which Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #6

I agree. kentuck Jun 2014 #8

Yes. It would have been explained away. rug Jun 2014 #11

A lot of Democrats might have stayed homr if he left troops there. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #12

FarPoint

(12,368 posts)

1. Yes....Iraq was not piviotal.

Reply to kentuck (Original post)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 10:04 PM

Jun 2014

Romney sucked!

JI7

(89,249 posts)

2. yes, and you think people opposed to staying in Iraq would have voted for Romney ?

Reply to kentuck (Original post)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 10:07 PM

Jun 2014

kentuck

(111,094 posts)

4. A lot of people would not have voted for Obama...

Reply to JI7 (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 10:10 PM

Jun 2014

if he had not gotten the troops out of Iraq. They would have felt betrayed.

Egnever

(21,506 posts)

3. The agreement to remove troops from Iraq

Reply to kentuck (Original post)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 10:09 PM

Jun 2014

Was already in place before Obama took office.

But I do believe it was his opposition to Iraq in the first place that helped give him the edge over Hillary.

delrem

(9,688 posts)

5. He couldn't have done it! Bush had already signed the agreement.

Reply to kentuck (Original post)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 10:14 PM

Jun 2014

How can DUers *still* be so unaware....?

kentuck

(111,094 posts)

7. He could have done it...

Reply to delrem (Reply #5)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 10:17 PM

Jun 2014

If he could have negotiated a new agreement with Maliki and his Parliament. The Iraqi Parliament was intent on seeing the Americans leave their country. They knew that if they insisted that American GIs would be subject to Iraqi law, that would be a deal breaker for any type of agreement.

delrem

(9,688 posts)

9. There neither was nor is any reason why Maliki would "renegotiate" the agreement he struck.

Reply to kentuck (Reply #7)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 10:38 PM

Jun 2014

esp not just to satisfy your argument.

kentuck

(111,094 posts)

10. I agree that he was bound by the agreement...

Reply to delrem (Reply #9)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 10:42 PM

Jun 2014

that was negotiated by George W Bush in 2008.

However, Obama would have needed to perform that impossible task in order to meet the charges by the Republicans that he should have left the troops in place.

I don't think he had any appetite to do so anyway.

(edit) Also, Maliki was not averse to keeping the troops for longer but he could not get his Parliament to agree to it.

delrem

(9,688 posts)

13. I could give a shit about what you say Maliki "was not averse to".

Reply to kentuck (Reply #10)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 10:49 PM

Jun 2014

Everyone knows that Maliki is just another product of "Democracy, US Style" in the countries that the US attacks.
Everyone understands why the US is now attacking Maliki.
Everyone understands why the US destroyed Libya.
Everyone understands why the US is destroying Syria.

kentuck

(111,094 posts)

14. Goodness gracious...

Reply to delrem (Reply #13)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 10:51 PM

Jun 2014

Calm down.

delrem

(9,688 posts)

15. I'm doing fine. I'm just explaining a few things to you. nt

Reply to kentuck (Reply #14)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 10:53 PM

Jun 2014

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)

6. I think there was a great opposition to Romney and the GOP, Iraq may have been an issue which

Reply to kentuck (Original post)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 10:15 PM

Jun 2014

was important but there was many more issues I did not want to see if another GOP was elected. The entire GOP platform is flawed in my opinion, and as I hear McCain and Romney speaking out in the last week or so, the election of Obama is the best thing which could happen to this nation.