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morningfog

(18,115 posts)
1. Recommend. I see a big problem with people focusing on their (justified) hate of bush
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 02:34 PM
Jun 2014

while the march to war moves quickly and quietly forward.

Why is the debate, "whose fault is this" rather than "should we be sending our military into Iraq?"

The script is all too familiar. A dangerous organization that will spread to other nations. They threaten the US interests and the homeland. I have even heard that we need regime change. The only thing missing is the weapons of mass destruction.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
2. I am simply amazed at the lack of interest and opposition to this on DU
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 02:40 PM
Jun 2014

or in the country, generally. WTF, people?

mike_c

(36,281 posts)
4. a significant portion of today's DU is reluctant to criticize any action...
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 03:02 PM
Jun 2014

...that a democratic party president participates in, no matter how wrong. Personally, I think the Iraq war was the most important U.S. foreign policy event in the last decade-- a war of aggression and crime against humanity with barely any window dressing at all. The U.S. has abandoned the Nuremberg principles and the U.N. Charter (except as they apply to others, of course). The complicity of democrats just makes it even sadder.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
7. For the RW it is --
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 03:18 PM
Jun 2014

vindication. They get to say, "See! We told you we needed to stay in Iraq!" The RW isn't going to oppose Obama when he's drinking deeply from their cup.

For the Democratic party to oppose the President in an election year where the House is securely in opposition hands but the Senate is in play is to risk political suicide. We have Nancy Pelosi, who once spent much time claiming she had been lied into voting for the AUMF, now claiming that AUMF is valid and still in force.

Why?

To not be seen as opposing the President. There is no other possible explanation. If she's worried about the President not having authority she could always advance, "The AUMF to Mop Up After Bush" resolution. Even if it were rejected then the blame would be on Congress, not Obama, for any events that transpire due to the absence of US involvement.

When the political leadership fully embraces and assumes as its own that which it once claimed was based on lies what else are we to say/do? Here at DU those of us who opposed engagement in Syria were called Putin lovers and racists.

The RW wants its vindication. The LW wants UNITY! at all costs. They deserve each other but its the soldiers and Iraqis that will suffer for this Coalition of the Shilling.

mike_c

(36,281 posts)
9. that is exactly the question I'm asking myself this morning....
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 03:31 PM
Jun 2014

Why, if any of those troops is hurt, we'll have to send more troops! And bombs. And so on. We've seen this movie before, I think.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
10. Obama's already made clear that bombs are going. And that
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 03:37 PM
Jun 2014

he doesn't think he needs confess to do it.

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