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phantom power

(25,966 posts)
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 03:56 PM Jun 2014

Couple jailed in TN over handwritten license plate claim they’re following God’s law

Have some respect! They're totally different than those sovereign citizens nutcases.


They were pulled over after police spotted them driving without a state-issued license plate, which Eshleman had attempted to replace with a piece of paper that said, “Non Resident 6-55-502. Privilege tax on nonresidents prohibited. Lienholder (my chattel).”

The couple had come to Tennessee, where land is cheaper, to build a natural – or cob – house using soil, straw, and fiber.

“Cob is where you put pieces of trees, you cut them up with a chainsaw, and it looks really cute,” Eshleman told the Jackson Sun in an interview. “It’s just a natural building.”

Rosondich denied May 22 in court that he had identified himself as a “free citizen,” as police claimed, and Eshleman said they would never use that term or sovereign citizen to describe themselves – because they’re not citizens.

“What we are, is we’re Americans,” Eshleman said. “What we did, is we did Expatriation Act of 1868 … What we did is we took our citizenship and we got rid of it. We’re expatriated from the United States.”


Police arrested the pair because they refused to sign the citation, and they remain jailed on $10,000 bond.

Rosondich described himself as an illegally oppressed non-citizen, saying he held “innate private rights.”

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/06/19/couple-jailed-in-tn-over-handwritten-license-plate-claim-theyre-following-gods-law/
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Couple jailed in TN over handwritten license plate claim they’re following God’s law (Original Post) phantom power Jun 2014 OP
Yep. Totally different. n t COLGATE4 Jun 2014 #1
But they didn't mind driving on OUR roads, did they? Aristus Jun 2014 #2
So.... where should they be deported to? obxhead Jun 2014 #3
Takes me back to my days as a judicial clerk... Ms. Toad Jun 2014 #4
Hope they like jail food. They're going to be eating it MineralMan Jun 2014 #5
WWJD? KamaAina Jun 2014 #6
I never heard of a cob house until this post. They are actually quite cute! arcane1 Jun 2014 #7
I don't think so KamaAina Jun 2014 #8
Maybe give them a free 300 ft. appartment in NY to establish their own country with boundries lumpy Jun 2014 #9
You'd think license plates for a car wouldn't even be an issue until you read Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2014 #10
 

obxhead

(8,434 posts)
3. So.... where should they be deported to?
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 04:01 PM
Jun 2014

They're not citizens, let's send them back to the mother country. However, they first need to be bounced from prison to prison losing personal effects and priledges with every move.

Ms. Toad

(34,069 posts)
4. Takes me back to my days as a judicial clerk...
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 04:01 PM
Jun 2014

Cobbled together laws that have nothing to do with what they are being asserted for. Challenging as all get-out to respond to because you couldn't just say, "this is nonsense." You had to walk through why each line was nonsense.

The only thing that surprises me about this couple is that it is apparently a hot news item...Couples like them were a dime a dozen about 15 years ago when they kept landing on my desk.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
8. I don't think so
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 04:13 PM
Jun 2014
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expatriation_Act_of_1868#Later_case_law

edit: In the 1957 case Briehl v. Dulles, the Court of Appeals for the DC Circuit held that the Department of State could lawfully deny issuance of a United States passport to an applicant who refused to execute an affidavit regarding his political affiliations. However, in a dissenting opinion, Judge David L. Bazelon argued that &quot s)ince expatriation is today impossible without leaving the country, the policy expressed by Congress in 1868 and never repealed precludes a reading of the passport and travel control statutes which would permit the Secretary of State to prevent citizens from leaving". Chief Judge Henry White Edgerton concurred with Bazelon's opinion.

Congress's power to legislate for implicit expatriation of Americans was later heavily restricted by the 1967 case Afroyim v. Rusk, which concluded that natural-born Americans cannot be deprived of citizenship by any means except a voluntary renunciation in the presence of a consular official. Associate Justice Hugo Black's majority opinion extensively discussed the Expatriation Act of 1868, including the history of proposed amendments to it.


They've got the voluntary renunciation down, but would have to travel abroad to find a consular official.

edit: And once they did that, they'd be stateless, and thus ineligible to re-renter the U.S.

lumpy

(13,704 posts)
9. Maybe give them a free 300 ft. appartment in NY to establish their own country with boundries
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 04:46 PM
Jun 2014

they couldn't pass without proper passport? Better than jail and cheaper. They would be required to provide their own health care, living expenses, utility bills and such. On the other hand they would remain a pain in the ass.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
10. You'd think license plates for a car wouldn't even be an issue until you read
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 04:53 PM
Jun 2014

"The disciples were all in one Accord."

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