Thanks for the thread, Earth_First.

Also note that he's serving the stuff over ice for very good reason.

Not that is tasted that good on the way down, and it seems that there was always a second time.

On the other hand Boone's Farm, otherwise known as Koolaid with a kick, at least tasted good on the way down.

For a dollar a liter, may have been a quart back then, you should be able to expect some level of quality.

Observations from 45 years ago, times may have changed.

I whole heartedly agree on both points.

but that was so amazingly painful.

When I was 16 years old, I chugged two bottles back to back on a dare. We had already been drinking some vodka and some beer, and had burned a few too!

Soon as I finished the 2nd bottle, the first one kicked in.. the whole freaking world started spinning 1000mph, then I got sick as a dog, throwing that crap up for an hour! Here it is, 35 years later, and to this day I cannot *stand* the smell of that stuff. I can smell it if someone has been drinking it, and I still start to wretch and gag!!

Ahh, the summers of our youth and stupidity, huh? LOL!

Peace,

Ghost

At a high enough blood alcohol level, there's not enough actual blood to support life.

Really.

Bad/lack of memories from both.

Crackers, perhaps?

but in truth, it illustates the utter folly of letting these bastards have so much disposable income. It is one thing to spend several hundred thosuand on a bottle of wine. Hell, there may be valid historical reasons to do so, especially if you are a wine producer that is hoping to maintain or learn from the masters. I could see various wine companies bidding for these items, but individuals, who would keep this as if it was another bottle to have at dinner with pasta? UGH.

But the Koches do not stop there. It is one thing to blow 5 million dollars on WINE, it is another to have an ego so big that you spend 25 million dollars seeking revenge on the con men that took advantage of the fact that you were arrogant AND ignorant. #) millions dollars blown on absolutely NOTHING but a spurned ego. No charity benefit to get the whey from the cream, no social value, just one little Peter Pan boy's arrogance. This is also important considering he , unlike even Bill gates, did NOT make the fortune, his daddy did helping Stalin build the same Russian Oil indistry that is allowing Putin to slap around whoever he wants to.

A free society can't put limits on how much disposable income has unless you want to limit Warren Buffett who gave most of his billions away, or entertainers like Bill Cosby or Oprah Winfrey or even Paul McCartney as to how popular their work can become, there has to be another criterion.

There are rich assholes and there the "Joe the plumber" assholes who deservedly don't have a pot to piss in. If an über-rich guy wants to blow money--even ridiculous amount of it--that will get spent instead of languishing in his bank account, I say let him do it.

These imbeciles have way too much money. TAX THE RICH!

How many schools could we fund with this fucker's wine?

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...out of his pocket. That cost $100 million or so. Not a tax deduction. Just to give woman a chance to prove they could compete with men in sailing. He's no where near as bad as his brothers.

Blind taste tests can't tell the difference between the stuff this guy thought he was buying, and the blend I threw in my spaghetti sauce last night.

by someone that did chemical testing and is reaping a fortune off of the lawsuit!

There is a sucker born every minute.

But I bet that scam went on for a long time.
The ones that bought would probably not open it because it was so expensive and if they did most would not know what it was suppose to taste like.


But hey, it's the money.

I watched the show. I also can not stand the Koch brothers and what they are trying to do to this country. I do however agree with William Koch taking the actions he is taking. He also did not lose it as your headline states. He seemed very normal, distraught over being duped, and intent on making sure the perpetrator does not get away with it again. The person he has suit against also duped many others out of millions of dollars. We talk here on DU about how the Koch Brothers only care about the 1% and how we at this site chest pump that we are all for ALL of the people in this country. HMMM sounds like (per your headline) it is ok for people to get ripped off as long as they are not rich. Stop the self-righteous judgment of a person trying to get back what they were defrauded out of.

So, is this the hypocrisy that is DU, or possibly a post made spur of the moment without a lot of thought because of the name Koch? It is quite evident you did not watch the show but rather relied upon an excerpt or article you happened to have read. If you had watched the show, you would have actually seen he did not "lose", but rather was very upset about being screwed. I salute his aggressive action in trying to bring the asshole that ripped Koch and many others off, not only in the high cost wine sector, but in areas where other people, middle class people, were also ripped off.

I say this with respect as I have learned by doing the same thing it appears you may have done, make a post based upon what I read, rather than actually viewing or researching the true source of said article.

I don't think he "lost it". Upset? Sure, who wouldn't be? He has a passion for rare wines. I don't have a problem with that.

I agree with your post.

the people of this country by buying the government like his brothers do.

He kind of teared up a little - about like I do during the sad part of a Disney film. He hardly 'lost it.'

It just happened to be expensive wine, but when the democrats took over both congress and the White House in 2009 they worked to pass consumer protection legislation. Keeping people from defrauding others is a good thing.

Even the wealthy deserve protection from fraud. He shouldn't be ridiculed for trying to prevent fraud in an industry that he is obviously very passionate about IMHO.

With a nice chianti.

Iit's along side a knife & fork pin.... The best reactions are ...."love those pins" and I agree "EAT THE RICH".

Fred & Grady probably had a good scheme for selling it.

His character Joshua settles an old grudge with a childhood friend who is now a successful psychiatrist with a wine cellar. He breaks into the guy's house and soaks off all the labels on the wine bottles. Thus the wine is still good, but the guy can't be a snob about the contents.

The problems of the rich. Bad wine? Try having to choose between food or medication like many poor have to do.

Good God!

Bet it will be worth at least $5 in 30 years.

Hahaha!!

Lol.

Still...they've definitely reinforced the meme that the wealthy are wealthy because they're superior. Smarter, harder working, more savy... Gotta love it.

...you flaccid fuck of a trust fund baby. Go cry me a fucking river of grapes, assclown.

Meanwhile, the two other Koccccccccchptuisucker brothers continue to deny that human activity is causing global warming, in spite of the overwhelming evidence presented by....

[font size="36" color="red"]SCIENCE[/font].

Go fuck yourself and the sommelier's knife you rode in on, you fucking walking wad of phlegm.

Wino overheard in Santa Monica convenience store.

violin!

but I just can't. What a horrible waste of money. A fool and his money are soon parted and all that.

knowing it was real life, not fiction, made it much more interesting.

I gave 20 bucks to a homeless guy so he could get something to eat.

I win.

You lose.

vehemently sticking up for the Kochs AND making a stereotypical 'joke' about homeless people being winos? You sure you're at the right website? Maybe you took a wrong turn on the intertubes.

Half of the homeless have problems with substance abuse.
http://usich.gov/issue/substance_abuse
You can argue whether that constitutes a stereotype, but the odds are 50% the $20 the poster claimed to give a homeless person was spent on alcohol or drugs.... which neither helped with their homelessness or their substance abuse problem.
Bill Koch (the only Koch I "defended&quot was the victim of a crime. If the poster above had stolen $20 from the homeless person, I would have defended the homeless crime victim.
Yes, sometimes I wonder if I'm on the same website I registered for many years ago... especially when some members are blaming the victim and cheering the criminal. I gather you're part of that group. Be careful karma doesn't bite you in the ass someday when the tables are turned.

the alcoholic homeless person spent some of that $20 on food and some on money, and can cope with another day of being homeless. It's called kindness. Try it for poor people sometime. I'm sure the rich can get along without empathy for them.

and WTF do you mean, when the tables are turned? When I'm rich and a victim of a fraud that doesn't make a dent in my bank account? I'll take that karma. Better than being poor and not being the victim of 'crime'. Anyhow, the poor are victims of the Koch brothers' crimes every day of their lives. But you keep on feeling sorry for them.

.. as you have absolutely no clue as to the amount I've done to help, or the degree to which I've been there.

Whatever you do to help the poor is undone by orders of magnitude by those boils on society.

The money he has is irrelevant. Unlike you, I don't spew hatred that he "deserved it" simply by being wealthy, just as he wouldn't deserve it if he was poor. I haven't defended his brothers at all, that is your fabrication. Your deliberate and persistant lying is a clear indication you've got no argument left.

You don't think you are sticking up for the brothers, I beg to differ. They are of the same class. They made their money the same way. It doesn't mean I lied, it means that I see things differently than you. But you go ahead with the whole 'liar' thing when people disagree with you. Maybe that's what you do when you have no argument left.

I think your posts speak for themselves. I never said once that he deserved to be a victim of a crime (who's lying now? hm?) I said that he didn't deserve pity and my argument is that he shouldn't be whining on tv about it. Nobody cares. Nobody wants to hear a rich guy whining about being defrauded - because that's what him and his family do to society every single day.

He is estranged from his brothers... not that facts have mattered to you one iota.

Billionaire's problems. But they seem to really matter to you. Bill is that you?

it also goes to alcohol

Seriously, this guy cried, actual tears, because he bought $25,000-100,000 fake wine.

Actual tears.

While surrounded with hundreds of millions of dollars of artwork.

Please. When he kicks it his family will completely dispense of his massive wine collection and artwork.

And the fake wine merchants should be ashamed, too.

Love it!

KNR

as if he'd have had real value had the vinegar been exactly as advertised.

meanwhile, children starve.

that someone got "rich" off playing to his rich snobbery. I hope they have a good life and he gets the do whacka doo on his next ill gotten gains purchase of something that shouldn't/doesn't exist.

Met some.

STILL like this bit...

It's called "The Time Cellar." I know California Peggy and her husband have read advance copies.

Unlike "Billionaire's Vinegar," it's pure fiction, but that removes some of the restrictions that reality puts on stories like this.

Be it intellectually, morally or physically.

They need to feel superior in more ways than their bank account to justify how they deserve their wealth while flaunting their wealth to one another. I've seen wine cellars accessed by a hidden passage as if it's the Bat Cave.

I have seen enough depictions, but aside from sneezing, don't know what I'd do if I found myself in one.

The Time Cellar is about an impoverished wine nerd who suddenly gets access to the most exotic and prestigious vintage wines in the world, but what he does with them is definitely NOT what people like William Koch do. Sometimes, the fiction IS more fun than the reality.

I thought it made the guy look like the pompous jerk that he already is. Crying because someone took advantage of him because he was stupid.

I like to keep things in perspective. There are hungry children going to bed on cold pavement every night in this country. I don't much care if this idiot is upset about being taken.

just so you all know. Not hundreds of millions, but a lot. He like his boat, he likes his wine, and he doesn't like his brothers.

Whether the boat is old and cheap, or the wine is old and pricey.

If you can afford to spend millions of dollars on wine, you've obviously got money to burn. Come see me when you're living under a bridge.

The blood of the people spilled by all the terrible policies pushed by the politicians bought with his money...

What polititians has he bought? What blood has been spilled? You do understand he is not his brothers, right? Would you call Jimmy Carter a drunken redneck because of HIS brother?

It is not unreasonable to assume that he is a soulless animal just like the more famous members of his family.

Your comparison to JC goes in the opposite direction, BTW.

Just saying. The guy is not a sociopath like his brothers. If he wants to spend a load of his money on wine, so what? How does that harm you? What business is it of yours? He also collects art... is that also evil?

Particularly when a bunch of frat boys discover that they can buy absolute crap for a song, then use their pull with the media to convince everyone that it's worth a zillion dollars...

You know nothing about the "business of art." You don't even know why you like what you like. It is absolute fascism.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/modern-art-was-cia-weapon-1578808.html

his brothers'.

Oh, the joy of watching the bastard choke up and cry...

No amount of money and sheltering will fix the slow and painful disintegration process we all go through with aging.

The cons even point out that snoots like Koch buy such rare spirits to brag to other collectors. That makes them easy marks because they so want the wine to be expensive that they literally sell it to themselves. Half the work of the con job is done for them.

Since these con artists aren't cheating senior citizens out of their pensions, I hope the penalty is moot. The billionaires will just pass along the expense through remorselessly shady business dealings.

White or red?

the wine is local and dare I say, quite CHEAP in terms of price.

What matters is how it tastes.


There is a lesson here, and it's a lesson older than that wine was purported to be:


A fool and his money are soon parted.

My real name is David Koch. Koch is a fairly common Germanic name which just translates to "cook".

In German the pronunciation is more like: Korhk. Not Coke.

Seeing your own name, is the same as one of the most evil people in the world, doesn't bring much happiness to me.

So yeah, everyone can circle jerk over the name, but just remember they aren't the only Kochs in the world, and a lot of us are on your side.

Cook is the translation of Koch. A very common German name.
Bill Koch isn't his brothers. And to those cheering his being swindled... he could have profited by keeping quiet and auctioning off his bottles. Instead, he took the $ loss so a con man could be stopped.

We know you're the REAL David Koch, coming here himself to spread FUD over defamation of your family's "good name."

You won't trick us, imposter!

Your jig is up! :p

Then it's not REAL German!

Would spend so much on a bottle of Wine!? Oh yeah, A fuckin rich greedy Plutocrat! Welcome to our world of fraudsters and liars, (just like you fine folks inflict on us, it's nice to know you aren't exempt from the same crap, Don't expect me to shed any tears.)
I don't care how this sounds to the apologist out their, They got it and don't want to share it. They are a sickness , a pox on this nation. the sooner they go up the long ladder the better off we will all be.

pay our workers shit....

Bill Koch is not his brothers... try doing a little homework before spewing.
You do realize Koch could have kept quiet and auctioned off his wine and gotten his money back, plus a profit? Did he do so? No. Props to him for taking the fraudster down, knowing that his collection would then be worthless.

In defense of the United States of America, more of these fools need to be separated from their money.

Look at it this way: they use their money as a weapon against us, so we need to disarm them.

You and all the others cheering on that scummy little bastard who cheated people?

This guy is not Robin Hood, he stole millions from a number of people, and kept it all.

The Koch brother who collects wine is the one who blew the whistle on his 2 brothers "short-sticking" (cheating) Native American oil owners.

But *ONLY* because he is a Koch, he deserves to be cheated, and have his money stolen?

The Koch brothers we hear about the most, they collect politicians, in their zeal to control the whole country.

This other Koch brother spends his money on rare wines, wineries employ many people, to grow the grapes, make the wine, etc.

Let me know when you let someone cheat you out of your computer and big-screen TV.

Just seething with hate...
Coming up next... defending a murderer who kills a wealthy person? At this point I wouldn't be surprised.

He actually despises their politics.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5342694/?utm_hp_ref=william-koch

Duh...

It was good! Nice and smoky.
I think I'll finish it tonight.

Yes, you can get a better bottle of wine, and yes, you can pay more for better wine. But how good can it possibly be?

At a certain point, "you get what you pay for" becomes a losing game, and these rich douches really are suckers to play this game.

I'll bet old Bill's high-priced lawyers also think he's a sucker. And they're laughing at him all the way to the bank...

faked a jefferson wine. very interesting how they did it.

It went on and on about how they involved in the manufacture of so many of the WONDERFUL products that we use every day and how wonderful their employees are and how wonderful it is to work for them.

I think the Kochs are feeling the pain, let's keep it up and they won't gain.

Useless parasite. It's greed that makes great suckers.