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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMandate facts
President Obama never stated that the mandate was unconstitutional or that he was completely opposed to any mandate. His argument was always affordability before a mandate. In fact, the statement about homelessness was specifically to reiterate the affordability point.
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OBAMA: Let's break down what she really means by a mandate. What's meant by a mandate is that the government is forcing people to buy health insurance and so she's suggesting a parent is not going to buy health insurance for themselves if they can afford it. Now, my belief is that most parents will choose to get health care for themselves and we make it affordable.
Here's the concern. If you haven't made it affordable, how are you going to enforce a mandate. I mean, if a mandate was the solution, we can try that to solve homelessness by mandating everybody to buy a house. The reason they don't buy a house is they don't have the money. And so, our focus has been on reducing costs, making it available. I am confident if people have a chance to buy high-quality health care that is affordable, they will do so. That's what our plan does and nobody disputes that.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/05/ltm.02.html
OBAMA: Let's break down what she really means by a mandate. What's meant by a mandate is that the government is forcing people to buy health insurance and so she's suggesting a parent is not going to buy health insurance for themselves if they can afford it. Now, my belief is that most parents will choose to get health care for themselves and we make it affordable.
Here's the concern. If you haven't made it affordable, how are you going to enforce a mandate. I mean, if a mandate was the solution, we can try that to solve homelessness by mandating everybody to buy a house. The reason they don't buy a house is they don't have the money. And so, our focus has been on reducing costs, making it available. I am confident if people have a chance to buy high-quality health care that is affordable, they will do so. That's what our plan does and nobody disputes that.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/05/ltm.02.html
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SEN. OBAMA...According to Senator Clinton...there are more people covered under her plan than mine is because of a mandate. That is not a mandate for the government to provide coverage to everybody; it is a mandate that every individual purchase health care...If it was not affordable, she would still presumably force them to have it, unless there is a hardship exemption as they've done in Massachusetts, which leaves 20 percent of the uninsured out. And if that's the case, then, in fact, her claim that she covers everybody is not accurate....
MR. WILLIAMS: And Senator Clinton, on this subject --
SEN. CLINTON...Senator Obama has a mandate in his plan. It's a mandate on parents to provide health insurance for their children. That's about 150 million people who would be required to do that. The difference between Senator Obama and myself is that I know, from the work I've done on health care for many years, that if everyone's not in the system we will continue to let the insurance companies do what's called cherry picking -- pick those who get insurance and leave others out.
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SEN. OBAMA...I do provide a mandate for children, because, number one, we have created a number of programs in which we can have greater assurance that those children will be covered at an affordable price. On the -- on the point of many adults, we don't want to put in a situation in which, on the front end, we are mandating them, we are forcing them to purchase insurance, and if the subsidies are inadequate, the burden is on them, and they will be penalized. And that is what Senator Clinton's plan does.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/26/us/politics/26text-debate.html?pagewanted=print
SEN. OBAMA...According to Senator Clinton...there are more people covered under her plan than mine is because of a mandate. That is not a mandate for the government to provide coverage to everybody; it is a mandate that every individual purchase health care...If it was not affordable, she would still presumably force them to have it, unless there is a hardship exemption as they've done in Massachusetts, which leaves 20 percent of the uninsured out. And if that's the case, then, in fact, her claim that she covers everybody is not accurate....
MR. WILLIAMS: And Senator Clinton, on this subject --
SEN. CLINTON...Senator Obama has a mandate in his plan. It's a mandate on parents to provide health insurance for their children. That's about 150 million people who would be required to do that. The difference between Senator Obama and myself is that I know, from the work I've done on health care for many years, that if everyone's not in the system we will continue to let the insurance companies do what's called cherry picking -- pick those who get insurance and leave others out.
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SEN. OBAMA...I do provide a mandate for children, because, number one, we have created a number of programs in which we can have greater assurance that those children will be covered at an affordable price. On the -- on the point of many adults, we don't want to put in a situation in which, on the front end, we are mandating them, we are forcing them to purchase insurance, and if the subsidies are inadequate, the burden is on them, and they will be penalized. And that is what Senator Clinton's plan does.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/26/us/politics/26text-debate.html?pagewanted=print
Democrats raise the point that it's a Republican idea to show Republican hypocrisy in rejecting a proposal they once embraced, specifically the individual mandate.
Senator Schumer: The health insurance mandate idea came from Republicans and the Heritage Foundation
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=509433
Clinton's 90s health care plan included an employer/employee mandate (http://content.healthaffairs.org/content/13/2/105.full.pdf). Republicans rejected the employer mandate in Clinton's plan and put the onus on individuals. That's the specific reference.
The mandate is not new.
Clinton: Supreme Court arguments on health law 'unusually politicized'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002506636
Oh, and it could have been worse.
Edwards Statement On Health Care Mandate
November 28, 2007
Chapel Hill, North Carolina Senator John Edwards released the following statement today on the need for clear, direct answers on how we will reach universal health care:
"We need true universal health care reform that covers every single man, woman, and child in America. It is wrong to leave anyone without the care they need. A universal system will work better for all of us delivering better care at lower cost.
"Barack Obama's plan leaves out 15 million people. The truth is that some people will choose not to buy insurance even though it's affordable, knowing that the rest of us will pay for their emergency room visits.
"But it is just as bad to say that everyone will have insurance without a plan to get there. Hillary Clinton says her plan will cover everyone through a 'mandate' but does not provide even the most rudimentary idea much less a detailed plan of how this 'mandate' would work. To get fundamental change in our health care system, we need a fundamental change in our politics. That starts with being clear and direct about what we are going to do and how we are going to do it."
Edwards' truly universal health care plan will ensure that every American has health insurance. He will require proof of insurance when income taxes are paid and when health care is provided. Families without insurance will be enrolled in Medicare, Medicaid, SCHIP or another targeted plan or be assigned a plan within new Health Care Markets.
Families who lose coverage will be expected to enroll in another plan or be assigned one. For the few people who refuse to pay, the government will help collect back premiums with interest and collection costs by using tools like the ones it uses for student loans and taxes, including collection agencies and wage garnishment.
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=91170#axzz1qqZ9tZYk
November 28, 2007
Chapel Hill, North Carolina Senator John Edwards released the following statement today on the need for clear, direct answers on how we will reach universal health care:
"We need true universal health care reform that covers every single man, woman, and child in America. It is wrong to leave anyone without the care they need. A universal system will work better for all of us delivering better care at lower cost.
"Barack Obama's plan leaves out 15 million people. The truth is that some people will choose not to buy insurance even though it's affordable, knowing that the rest of us will pay for their emergency room visits.
"But it is just as bad to say that everyone will have insurance without a plan to get there. Hillary Clinton says her plan will cover everyone through a 'mandate' but does not provide even the most rudimentary idea much less a detailed plan of how this 'mandate' would work. To get fundamental change in our health care system, we need a fundamental change in our politics. That starts with being clear and direct about what we are going to do and how we are going to do it."
Edwards' truly universal health care plan will ensure that every American has health insurance. He will require proof of insurance when income taxes are paid and when health care is provided. Families without insurance will be enrolled in Medicare, Medicaid, SCHIP or another targeted plan or be assigned a plan within new Health Care Markets.
Families who lose coverage will be expected to enroll in another plan or be assigned one. For the few people who refuse to pay, the government will help collect back premiums with interest and collection costs by using tools like the ones it uses for student loans and taxes, including collection agencies and wage garnishment.
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=91170#axzz1qqZ9tZYk
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Mandate facts (Original Post)
ProSense
Apr 2012
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ProSense
(116,464 posts)1. Kick! n/t
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)2. Hi ProSense. Remember me?
Did you ever think you would be posting Hillary and Edwards on mandates?
Oh I remember. I remember all too well! :twisted:
MAWHAHWHAHAHAHA
ProSense
(116,464 posts)4. Oh yeah, but
you're not really a Democrat until you buy into RW talking points about "liberals."
I mean, it's delicious irony.
LOL!
ProSense
(116,464 posts)3. From an op-ed by Avik Roy, a Romney adviser
Proof he supported the individual manate.
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Former AFL-CIO President John Sweeney, representing the core Democratic constituency, was even more ardent than the President in his hatred of the individual mandate. In 2006, when Mitt Romney was about to sign his Massachusetts legislation, Sweeney went ballistic. Who would have thought that Massachusettslong considered a bastion of progressive thinkingwould take a page out of the Newt Gingrich playbook for health care reform? he asked. Forcing uninsured workers to purchase health care coverage or face higher taxes and fines is the cornerstone of Mr. Gingrichs health care reform proposals. And it is unconscionable that Massachusetts has adopted this misguided individual mandate.
Sweeney instead favored an employer mandate, which had long been the liberal alternative to single-payer (the employer mandate was, for example, the cornerstone of Hillarycare in 1993). Romneycare ended up with both an individual mandate and and employer mandate; Romney had vetoed the employer requirement, but the Democratic state legislature overrode his veto.
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Labor leaders and Democratic Presidents are allowed to change their minds. But so are people on the other side.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2012/04/02/once-upon-a-time-liberals-hated-the-individual-mandate/
Former AFL-CIO President John Sweeney, representing the core Democratic constituency, was even more ardent than the President in his hatred of the individual mandate. In 2006, when Mitt Romney was about to sign his Massachusetts legislation, Sweeney went ballistic. Who would have thought that Massachusettslong considered a bastion of progressive thinkingwould take a page out of the Newt Gingrich playbook for health care reform? he asked. Forcing uninsured workers to purchase health care coverage or face higher taxes and fines is the cornerstone of Mr. Gingrichs health care reform proposals. And it is unconscionable that Massachusetts has adopted this misguided individual mandate.
Sweeney instead favored an employer mandate, which had long been the liberal alternative to single-payer (the employer mandate was, for example, the cornerstone of Hillarycare in 1993). Romneycare ended up with both an individual mandate and and employer mandate; Romney had vetoed the employer requirement, but the Democratic state legislature overrode his veto.
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Labor leaders and Democratic Presidents are allowed to change their minds. But so are people on the other side.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2012/04/02/once-upon-a-time-liberals-hated-the-individual-mandate/
This is one of Romney's health care advisers promoting Romney (see he didn't really like RomneyCare, which is true) and justifying why he is allowed to flip flop.
In the above op-ed, Roy is making it clear that Romney supported the individual mandate. He vetoed only the employer mandate before Democrats overrode his veto.
In fact, Clinton's 1993 plan included an employer/employee mandate (http://content.healthaffairs.org/content/13/2/105.full.pdf). One doesn't work without the other. The MA Democratic legislature knew that. The individual mandate without an employer mandate is what Republicans support. It's what they've always supported. More mandate facts: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002512603
Roy:
About Me
I am a Senior Fellow at the Manhattan Institute for Policy Research and a member of Mitt Romneys Health Care Policy Advisory Group.
http://blogs.forbes.com/people/aroy/
I am a Senior Fellow at the Manhattan Institute for Policy Research and a member of Mitt Romneys Health Care Policy Advisory Group.
http://blogs.forbes.com/people/aroy/
Roy also wrote a 2011 commentary promoting the Ryan plan.
Why Paul Ryans Path to Prosperity just might succeed
http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/miarticle.htm?id=7679