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FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 02:03 PM Jun 2014

Gay marriage is not about equality but a way of keeping women quiet

This article brings up an interesting point: Is marriage inherently an institution of patriarchy and control - even when between two people of the same sex?

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http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/jun/16/gay-marriage-equality-women-lesbian-couples-conservative-institution

Julie Bindel
The Guardian, Monday 16 June 2014 14.16 EDT



Is now the best time in history to be lesbian or gay? With the introduction of the Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Act 2013, lesbians and gay men enjoy the same legislative rights as heterosexuals when married. They can foster and adopt, put same-sex names on their children's birth certificates, enjoy protection from discrimination and harassment at work and join the armed forces.

In all the celebrating and discussion of bride-on-bride fashion, no one seems to have raised any objections to the institution itself, an institution that has curtailed women's freedom for centuries.

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During the 1970s and 80s, lesbians were more likely than they are today to be part of an active women's liberation movement, during which the issue of marriage as a patriarchal institution was oft-discussed. There was the Lesbians Against the Clause group who campaigned against Clause 28 on the grounds that the heterosexual fabric of British society ought to be undermined. They produced an anti-marriage poster with the slogan: "They say marriage is a bed of roses ... beware of the pricks", and organised several conferences and seminars to discuss the issue.

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Nicola Barker, a senior lecturer in law at the University of Kent and the author of Not the Marrying Kind: A Feminist Critique of Same-Sex Marriage, says that she is sometimes misunderstood as being against equality as opposed to marriage. "What gets lost in the celebrations about 'equal marriage' is that marriage is not about equality; it's about perpetuating privilege," she says.

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Gay marriage is not about equality but a way of keeping women quiet (Original Post) FrodosPet Jun 2014 OP
Marriage has been used for eons IMO to keep the little woman in the home subservient often to RKP5637 Jun 2014 #1
What a wonderfully stupid article. Behind the Aegis Jun 2014 #2
^^ This. Iggo Jun 2014 #4
+1000 theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #6
+2000 nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #16
This gets posted, but folks are angry at a joke about Cheney Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #3
If you think DUers are such bigots why do you post here? nt el_bryanto Jun 2014 #5
What the fuck business is it of yours? Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #9
Fair enough. I just think you might be happier if you didn't go to a place you hated el_bryanto Jun 2014 #15
Ask yourselves this: theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #7
I've heard feminists attack heterosexual marriage plenty of times davidn3600 Jun 2014 #11
That was not my point theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #13
By the way, I think you should note that this article was from a British paper theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #8
The early days of the gay liberation movement were generally anti-marriage. DemocraticWing Jun 2014 #10
Depends on how you view marriage and the nature of your relationship theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #14
that would be religion not marriage but what do you expect, it's the guardian LOL snooper2 Jun 2014 #12
First she trashes the transgender, then she implies that gay rights activists are "doing it wrong." nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #17
I heard TONS of complaining about the institution of marriage here at DU gollygee Jun 2014 #18

RKP5637

(67,108 posts)
1. Marriage has been used for eons IMO to keep the little woman in the home subservient often to
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 02:13 PM
Jun 2014

male patriarchs. For many, it's used as a tool of suppression and repression. IMO some element of those against LGBT marriage are afraid of losing privilege.


Behind the Aegis

(53,956 posts)
2. What a wonderfully stupid article.
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 02:41 PM
Jun 2014

If I were allowed to legally marry my partner of choice, a man, it is NO WAY is keeping "women quiet" any more than it is a "threat to my neighbor's marriage." This article is full of fail, including the absurd notion that those who are working for marriage equality are somehow ignoring anti-GLB hate crimes.






But what a wonderful source for anti-marriage equality folks!

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
3. This gets posted, but folks are angry at a joke about Cheney
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 02:53 PM
Jun 2014

DU, where bigotry goes to spread it's wings.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
9. What the fuck business is it of yours?
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 03:12 PM
Jun 2014

I like to do what I can to end the bigotry in the Democratic Party. Is that a problem for you?

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
15. Fair enough. I just think you might be happier if you didn't go to a place you hated
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 04:28 PM
Jun 2014

so very much.

But you should live your life as you see fit.

Bryant

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
7. Ask yourselves this:
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 03:04 PM
Jun 2014

Would this idiotic question ever be asked of heterosexual marrieds?

Isn't marriage merely a clever ploy to keep us quiet about the trickier issues such as the deportation of lesbian asylum seekers, and the still prevalent anti-gay bullying in schools and religious communities? While so many lesbians are busily getting hitched and drawing up wedding lists, while being featured in the pages of newspapers, have we lost sight of those within our community suffering in silence? A shocking 78% of lesbians and gay men have experienced prejudice during their lifetime, according to the survey, with more than a quarter of them suffering physical assault.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
11. I've heard feminists attack heterosexual marriage plenty of times
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 03:19 PM
Jun 2014

Feminists attacking the institution of marriage goes back to the very beginning of feminism in the 1800s.

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
13. That was not my point
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 03:39 PM
Jun 2014

Last edited Fri Jun 20, 2014, 04:40 PM - Edit history (1)

Would you really ask/intimate that heterosexuals here care any less about poverty, discrimination, oppression et al if they're married? It would never even occur to me that married DUers care any less about their fellow humans and frankly, the question itself is one I would find insulting.

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
8. By the way, I think you should note that this article was from a British paper
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 03:06 PM
Jun 2014

Just in case folks don't follow the link and don't realize "Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Act 2013" has no bearing on the U.S.

DemocraticWing

(1,290 posts)
10. The early days of the gay liberation movement were generally anti-marriage.
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 03:17 PM
Jun 2014

I don't think there's any harm in offering the same rights to gay couples as straight couples, and personally I think I'd like to marry another man one day if I find the right one. But there have been rational arguments from within the gay community that marriage and gender roles are symptoms of a patriarchal power structure that should be rejected rather than assimilated into.

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
14. Depends on how you view marriage and the nature of your relationship
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 03:48 PM
Jun 2014

After 24 years, this October my partner and I will be traveling to another state to finally make it official. (We cannot marry where we live and our marriage will not be recognized once we return home.) It's our decision, our reasons. And we will continue to fight for the rights of all oppressed people, everywhere. Our marriage will not diminish us nor our commitment to those ideals.

Conversely, there are many who for their own reasons prefer not to marry and I respect that decision. Married or not, we're all in this fight together.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
17. First she trashes the transgender, then she implies that gay rights activists are "doing it wrong."
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 04:34 PM
Jun 2014

Is there any sexual minority she won't slander in the name of (her version of) feminism?

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
18. I heard TONS of complaining about the institution of marriage here at DU
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 04:39 PM
Jun 2014

a few years ago when discussion of same-sex marriage started up. First, it was that same-sex couples should be happy with civil unions, and when that was blasted down, it was that EVERYONE should have just civil unions, and marriages should be only a religious thing. All of a sudden, when same-sex couples could marry, marriage in a general was a problem.

I rolled my eyes at that then, and I roll my eyes at this now. I'm very happily married and have been for over 15 years now, and I want to see everyone who wants to marry the person they love be allowed to marry that person, and get all the rights associated with marriage. And the word "marriage" and a real wedding and all of that. Big cake, party, honeymoon, you name it.

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