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babylonsister

(171,064 posts)
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 07:55 PM Jun 2014

Bernie Sanders Accuses Oil Speculators Of Using Iraq As An Excuse To Drive Up Prices

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/20/bernie-sanders-oil-iraq_n_5515822.html

Bernie Sanders Accuses Oil Speculators Of Using Iraq As An Excuse To Drive Up Prices
The Huffington Post | By Shadee Ashtari

Posted: 06/20/2014 5:23 pm EDT Updated: 1 hour ago


Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) accused oil companies and Wall Street speculators Thursday of using the recent crisis in Iraq as an excuse to artificially increase the price of crude oil and gasoline.

"I am getting tired of big oil companies telling us that gasoline prices are going up because of the turmoil in Iraq," Sanders said in a statement. "The truth is that big oil will never miss an opportunity to increase the price of gas. Today, it's Iraq. Tomorrow, it may be the weather. On and on it goes."

The statement noted that the price of gas in the U.S. Thursday topped $115 a barrel, a nine-month high on the New York Mercantile Exchange.

"The fact is that high gasoline prices have less to do with supply and demand and more to do with Wall Street speculators driving prices up in the energy futures market," said Sanders, a member of the Senate Committee on Energy and Natural Resources.

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On Thursday, Sanders announced plans to introduce legislation mandating the Commodity Futures Trading Commission to employ its emergency authority to curb excessive oil speculation.

"Millions of Americans are hurting as a result of excessive speculation on the oil futures market," Sanders said. "The time to provide the American people relief at the gas pump is now before this situation gets even worse."
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Bernie Sanders Accuses Oil Speculators Of Using Iraq As An Excuse To Drive Up Prices (Original Post) babylonsister Jun 2014 OP
Bernie Sanders sounds like an ignorant bozo on this issue. Spider Jerusalem Jun 2014 #1
Cushings OK is absolutely overflowing with oil. There is a hugh back up and WTI is slowed due DhhD Jun 2014 #2
Cushing Oklahoma is not the global market. Spider Jerusalem Jun 2014 #3
"No US oil is exported"???? sheshe2 Jun 2014 #6
Effectively, nope. Spider Jerusalem Jun 2014 #7
Do you really Unknown Beatle Jun 2014 #4
I believe that supply and demand is responsible for oil pricing. Spider Jerusalem Jun 2014 #5
So it's the SPECULATORS we should have empathy for! Plucketeer Jun 2014 #8
What speculators? Spider Jerusalem Jun 2014 #9
I'm sorry Plucketeer Jun 2014 #10
And, little Dorothy, unicorns will take you to Mars, if you believe in the sky fairies of Mammon! Zorra Jun 2014 #11
More people travel in summer = higher demand on the same supply = higher prices. Spider Jerusalem Jun 2014 #12
Psst, wanna buy a bridge? Bargain price. We deliver. Satisfaction guaranteed, or no money back! nt Zorra Jun 2014 #13
k and r nashville_brook Jun 2014 #14
 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
1. Bernie Sanders sounds like an ignorant bozo on this issue.
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 08:10 PM
Jun 2014

Iraq produces around 3.2 million barrels of oil a day. Worldwide demand is around 92 million barrels a day. The spare capacity to make up 3.2 million barrels a day of lost production simply doesn't exist; pipelines and refineries in Iraq have already been targets of insurgent attacks, which causes production and supply disruption. The margins between production and consumption are thin enough that even a third of Iraqi capacity being offline for any period would cause significant short-term spikes. But understanding the economics and supply and demand issues around oil is apparently hard; blaming higher fuel prices on "speculators" when you're considering running for president is easy, I suppose.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
3. Cushing Oklahoma is not the global market.
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 08:53 PM
Jun 2014

No US oil is exported; very little Iraqi oil is imported to the US. Oil is priced on a global market. Therefore supply disruptions drive up prices globally. And if you actually read that link? it says this one analyst is "making a contrarian forecast", which actually means that no glut is forecast.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
7. Effectively, nope.
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 10:30 PM
Jun 2014

268K barrels a day of exports, with 9.2 MILLION barrels a day of imports? 9.2M - 268K = ? (Hint: the answer is nine million, give or take.)

Unknown Beatle

(2,672 posts)
4. Do you really
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 09:32 PM
Jun 2014

believe that big oil is not ripping off consumers? Do you really believe that big oil deals with us honestly? That wall street speculators really have what's best for us at heart?

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
5. I believe that supply and demand is responsible for oil pricing.
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 09:41 PM
Jun 2014

With demand at around 92 million barrels a day and supply not much more than that, with demand growth outstripping supply growth, and with oil companies scrabbling for shale and deepwater and other economically marginal resources? There's no reason to suspect that "speculation" has much of anything to do with oil prices, and plenty of reason to think that anyone who claims otherwise is economically ignorant.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
8. So it's the SPECULATORS we should have empathy for!
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 10:48 PM
Jun 2014

Those poor people! Never knowing from one barrel-shaking event to the next - if they're gonna be able to feed their kids next week. Uh-huh. And the XL pipeline is gonna whisk us back to buck-a-gallon gasoline.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
9. What speculators?
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 11:25 PM
Jun 2014

Is there some risk factor driving up prices due to events in Iraq? Sure. Is that what's behind the fundamental price of oil? No, it isn't. And cheap oil is never coming back, Keystone XL or not (tar sands oil requires a floor price of around $80 a barrel to be economically viable; the break-even point on shale oil is about the same).

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
11. And, little Dorothy, unicorns will take you to Mars, if you believe in the sky fairies of Mammon!
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 02:57 AM
Jun 2014


In other news, the price of oil skyrockets every summer without fail, because the fuckers know that more people travel in summer.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
12. More people travel in summer = higher demand on the same supply = higher prices.
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 03:04 AM
Jun 2014

This is very basic economics. No conspiracy required.

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