Although, he certainly played a part.

Go on. What is your point? Newsmax is calling for you.

As if these victories were immaculately conceived (hint, hint) through the singularly literal work of Barack Obama. Well, what I'm saying is that while some of these accomplishments are the work of his administration, more than one of them is the work of the international community with the participation of the Obama administration. That is a distinctly different reality from the one portrayed in the OP.

We don't have to respond so violently to the total opposition of the Obama administration by reactionaries that we become reactionaries ourselves.

By the way, the Newsmax jab is just low-brow, base insult. This is a discussion board. Engage me in discussion.

The pilot requested to land because of fuel gauge issues:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3165597

Amazing how people still try to spread the lie that Obama forced down the plane even when there's a recording of the pilot saying they need to land because of fuel gauge issues.

Actually it's not amazing, it's predictable.

Do you agree with the poster above that Obama forced down the plane?

If you do, then you have no credibility in my eyes.

If you read the article, France and Spain both say they did not deny airspace. Surely you're not making a spurious allegation with no evidence to back it up.

I provided the link with the pilot's voice recording saying their fuel gauge wasn't working.

What's your evidence?

Where's your link proving collusion in this case?

France apologizes

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2013/07/2013747914179924.html

Spain apologizes

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/16/us-usa-security-snowden-latinamerica-idUSBRE96F06020130716





A US official confirms it was in contact with European countries regarding the possibility of Snowden traveling through their airspace:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/03/edward-snowden-asylum-live

And why did the Austrian authorities even feel the need or desire to inspect the plain of a major head of state?

http://in.reuters.com/article/2013/07/03/usa-security-snowden-jet-bolivia-idINDEE96207B20130703




All of this suggests that the United States was in communication with the countries who denied Morales' plane permission to travel through their airspace. I want to be careful here, however, in not suggesting that these denials and subsequent inspections were the direct acts of US authorities. I don't believe that argument and I don't believe the argument that the United States "forced down" the aircraft. I think what happened was that these European nations were in communication with US officials, were suspicious of Morales' flight, and I frankly don't blame them, and stupidly decided that the denial of their airspace was the proper course of action.

As far as the pilot recordings, I don't know what to make of it. Either the pilot fabricated a serious problem to gain access to the airport or was instructed to do so possibly even by Morales himself in order to take political advantage of the situation. I will not rule out either possibility or even the possibility of some other underlying truth.

Nonetheless, this still constitutes a major violation of international law regarding the travel and aircraft of heads of state. The problem is that this would not have happened had the United States not been directly discussing with these nations the possibility that Snowden will travel through their territory or airspace. I think that absent such discussions, the flightpath of the aircraft would never have been in question.

Try again.

As I've said, I do not believe the aircraft was "forced down." I believe the major issue here is the denial of airspace.

So far you have presented zero evidence of collusion to bring down Morales' aircraft in this case.

Like I said, try again....

I said there was collusion to deny his aircraft airspace.

Where's the evidence that the US specifically told them to deny airspace to this aircraft?

Precisely because no official in his or her right mind would ever admit to such a thing. Just as Morales himself would never admit that he took advantage of the wrongful actions of the various European countries for his own political gain. These are potential truths which will never be revealed through direct language because they compromise the moral force of each nation.

The evidence that the US government colluded with European nations to deny suspicious aircraft travel through European airspace comes from indirect statements by US officials that they were in discussion with European countries regarding the issue of Snowden traveling through their territories. There is also evidence that these countries knowingly denied entry into their airspace and that the search by the Austrian authorities constituted a search for Snowden.

The pilot mentioned nothing about denied airspace. He said that he had to land because of fuel gauge issues.

Welcome to ignore.

You're now only the second person on my list.

I can't deal with people who make shit up.

In order to formulate a completely different reality where I'm saying what you want me to say so that you can ritualistically forsake me.

He went after Eddie!



Obama forced that plane down. Yikes!

In other words.

There is still Somali piracy going on. Also, Al Zawahari is still free.

BHO should put on his magic flying cape and rid the world of these bastards. No credit at all. Nit picky mother fuckers out there. Bring back Bush.

I did not say President Obama should be a super hero and solve all the worlds problems. I pointed out that two things on the list are incorrect.

What is your point? You want perfection? The man has his hands full. WTF is wrong with you?

Is wonderful-like going camping and reading a book.

Thanks Fred!

Removal of Syrian chemical weapons was a Russian plan, advanced by Vladimir Putin because Syria is a Russian client. Obama's plan was to drop bombs on Syria as punishment for Assad's purported use of those weapons, a move which would have done nothing to remove them because bombing the chemical weapon sites themselves would have been far too dangerous.

That is neither anti-Obama nor pro-Obama, merely a statement of historical fact.

A Major Milestone in Our Effort to Eliminate Syria’s Chemical Weapons Program

October 31 marked a major milestone in our determined effort to get rid of Syria’s chemical weapons program. The Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) announced it is now confident that no additional chemical agents or munitions can be produced in Syria. Just a few months ago, Syria had one of the largest chemical weapons stockpiles in the world – including mustard and sarin – and Bashar al-Assad was using these awful weapons to kill his own people. In addition, given the situation on the ground in Syria, this dangerous arsenal was at risk of capture by or transfer into the hands of extremists.

In mid-September, we and Russia agreed to work together to ensure the destruction of the Syrian chemical weapons program in the fastest and safest manner possible. Our joint commitment led to an historic United Nations (UN) Security Council resolution that legally bound Syria to destroy its chemical weapons stockpile under international supervision on a very fast timeline.

Work is being done around the clock to ensure that these deadly weapons are never used again against the Syrian people or against any other citizens in the region or beyond. Less than three months after the ghastly August 21 attack, we have finished the first phase of the elimination process by destroying Syria’s capacity to make chemical weapons. The OPCW’s central role in this ongoing effort was highlighted when it was honored with the 2013 Nobel Peace Prize last month. The people behind the scenes are brave and dedicated, and so we applaud the OPCW and UN personnel who have taken great personal risks to get the job done. They planned and conducted the inspection site visits, supervised the destruction process, and provided security and logistics to the inspectors.

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In the end, Syria will be held accountable for the safe and swift elimination of its chemical weapons program and for full compliance with UN Security Council Resolution 2118, OPCW Executive Council decisions, and the Chemical Weapons Convention. But the international community can speed this process, and in so doing ensure that chemical weapons will not threaten the people of Syria or fall into the hands of extremists who could use them to harm Americans or our allies and partners.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2013/11/04/major-milestone-our-effort-eliminate-syria-s-chemical-weapons-program

Checkmate!

Kerry and the President had been working on this for over a year. Funny how an "historical fact" can be so wrong depending on where the information comes from.

"Obama's plan was to drop bombs on Syria as punishment for Assad's purported use of those weapons.." Wow! So wrong. Our President has so much more going on than you can ever imagine.

G of even recent history is purposeful.

and what part of that shows that Obama had a plan, other than threats of air strikes, to get rid of the chemical weapons?

Where are the facts from EarlG which demonstrate an actual plan to remove chemical weapons? All I see is a threat to bomb Syria.

on the internet.

A threat to bomb Syria being interpreted as a plan to remove chemical weapons is not "common sense."

He wanted to bomb, got resistance from others in his administration, and then Putin to the rescue!

Lucky at international missions, unlucky in domestic affairs because a party of psychos made it their mission to destroy you and your party and the country for spite and profit? I think that's it.

America and it's incredibly intelligent and thoughtful President is itself a scandal."

And, the whining, nitpicking and "CRREEEEEEEEEP" hair'saFire Mongering on DU that tries to take credit away and give it to anyone else but President Obama.. is fucking hilarious.

Thanks Fred.

Isn't it frightening how much more powerful one certain nations military is than any other? The control of that military by Nobel Peace Prize President Obama is the only thing that makes sense in the world at times.

K & R

The others are a little stretching to cedit POTUS with both fully and perfectly