However, neither one of them were supposed to be all that smart to begin with. People hold Hillary up to a different standard.

At some point you can't trust anything that comes out of their mouth. The gaffes are nothing more than a failed attempt to conceal one's true feelings/motivations.

She gets a bourgeois expression on her face that I find disturbing. I know she can't help it, but that look, in addition to her statements is troubling.

Though I do remember one presidential candidate's wife that was much worse. She came out and looked like she was channeling Evita Peron. Pueblo, pueblo and all that.

I don't believe I've ever identified a particular facial demeanor with the bourgeoisie. Would you prefer more haute or a little more petite? And what expression should she have?

Le Bourgeois Gentilhomme:



Or just a big pair of lips with a bowler hat:



I think it must be this (a character from The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie):

As long as she's in this to win it, she might as well listen to opinions that can only help her connect with ordinary voters.

who have been relentlessly assaulting Americans for quite some time now. I don't think the country is particularly hungry to sign up for more of that.

Her major policy positions are predatory and malignant to most Americans and to this nation and its Constitution. She would continue the agenda that is now bleeding America to death, including support for the TPP and its ilk, mass surveillance and suppression of dissent, corporatization and monetization of virtually every aspect of American life and policy, austerity for the masses, and warmongering for profit.

Fourth, is the finger in the wind mentality even on the issues those connections give latitude to.

Her mouth is the one for the thumb, in my opinion.

I submit that between 75% and 90% of support from the far left is born of a desire to see a woman in the white house.

Others support her for other reasons, name recognition, etc.

Having a woman in the white house is not worth having a republican or a far right democrat in the white house.

As much as a black candidate brought me to DU, it might take a female RW candidate to take me out.

Not gonna miss it if that's how DU is gonna roll.

Fuck it all.

not mine. I just don't care for her.

not very surprised.

Jesus. What year is it?

for saying the wrong, stupid, insensitive, or foolish things?

People's mouths often are a big weakness, not just men, not just women, not just the young, not just the old, cuts across every faith and philosophy, race, national origin, color, and creed.

PEOPLE. People of every possible description. What a cop out to hide behind gender and it is being pulled on about every issue, question, and position.

Lame.

PEOPLE.

Look at the flap John Edward's haircut got. Last I checked he was male.

Now let's talk about the rest. Stack'em up and pretty soon it will be obvious that far more attention is paid to women's clothing and hair than men's.

Pay attention

That is not at all what Lex asserted.

I don't disagree with him on that. On the other hand not everything is about sexism.

and hence the difference. But that one example that was unusual--was well, unusual. If you think there aren't two very vastly different standards for what's acceptable for male candidates and what's acceptable for female candidates, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

You claimed it doesn't happen, I proved that wrong. As for the bridge, you can keep it. It is too high maintenance, much like a lot of DU members.

Ummm...no I didn't. To the best of my recollection, I've never said shit about either in judgement.

sake Hillary you are talking to people who have a hard time buying food and paying rent. What I hear her telling us is that she is not one of the billionaires in the 1%. That I understand. But Hillary - you are not poor in the sense of food on the table for our children and a roof over our heads poor. Using the word poor to describe yourself and your situation is an insult to those of us down here on the bottom.

If I were you I would quit talking about being poor.

Make yourself look even more ordinary. The irony here is that what helped Hillary in the 2008 primary was when she let loose and stopped trying to be someone she wasn't. After it was all but certain Obama would win the nomination, she had fun, went out on the trail and actually looked like a common person who could interact with common people (going into the bars...).

You don't need to try to prove you're not rich. When you do, you just come off looking less than genuine.

I mean it, just be a dork. Don't try to make an image, be who you are.

She could've easily just said "Yeah, we made boatloads of money because the American people like to hear our ideas, and we went on the speeching* tour. But we pay our taxes unlike people with hundreds of time our wealth who also use that wealth, at times as much as our entire net worth, to buy elections."

*yes, I just invented "speeching" there, that's a word I could see Clinton saying.

I think it's very apt.

. . . she'll have an opponent. Likely an unknown, untested one with a wealth of space to tag them with something or the other.

This is a consequence of Clinton hanging her neck out this soon, but I'll give her credit for believing she can run a two-plus year campaign with enough energy and luck to win.

Just wait for her challenger, then judge whether she's in trouble.

Frankly, your gullibility in blindly accepting the falsehoods of others is sad.

Answer: They'll hear the truncated version. That's why it's important to not say stuff that needs extra explanation in order to be clear.

We should all know by now that it's not the truth that matters, it's the perception.

smears.

If I had a transcript of your entire days conversation and picked out THREE words out of context I could make you look bad.

One could do the same to any politician.

THREE WORDS.

Sometimes it seems like Democrats get held to a much higher standard. Sigh.

She needs to be a little more cautious of what she says IF she is planning to run. With the media, outside groups, and the internet something that is said can really come back to haunt a person.

I think though that she also suffers from far higher scrutiny for whatever she says. Joe Biden could say similar stuff or in a dumb way and people would laugh it off. But Clinton, not so much.

Clinton obviously doesn't think she was poor when Bill left office and she certainly doesn't think she's not well off, but the way she words things allows the media to completely interpret the exact opposite of what she said. And she didn't intend that at all.

I disagree that people laugh off Biden's gaffes. He was ridiculed pretty hard about the comments he made about people being in chains. The main difference now is that as VP he's not quite as front and center (aside from during the campaigns) and that helps him quite a bit.

She believes the system must be changed from the inside.

just my view on this.

So many gaffes, so little time.

or lack thereof on trade agreements, drone and other warfare, Unions, privatization, bank regulation etc.