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madokie

(51,076 posts)
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 06:00 AM Jun 2014

Free Will May Just Be the Brain's 'Background Noise,' Scientists Say

It's a question that has plagued philosophers and scientists for thousands of years: Is free will an illusion?

Now, a new study suggests that free will may arise from a hidden signal buried in the "background noise" of chaotic electrical activity in the brain, and that this activity occurs almost a second before people consciously decide to do something.

Though "purposeful intentions, desires and goals drive our decisions in a linear cause-and-effect kind of way, our finding shows that our decisions are also influenced by neural noise within any given moment," study co-author Jesse Bengson, a neuroscientist at the University of California, Davis, wrote in an email to Live Science. "This random firing, or noise, may even be the carrier upon which our consciousness rides, in the same way that radio static is used to carry a radio station."

This background noise may allow people to respond creatively to novel situations, and it may even give human behavior the "flavor of free will," Bengson said. [The 10 Greatest Mysteries of the Mind]

http://www.livescience.com/46411-free-will-is-background-noise.html

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Free Will May Just Be the Brain's 'Background Noise,' Scientists Say (Original Post) madokie Jun 2014 OP
Thank the random firing, or noise, that gave you the illusion of wanting to post this. nt Xipe Totec Jun 2014 #1
You are a jerk! Sorry, my random noise made me say it. Vattel Jun 2014 #3
Your random noise needs a little tuning. My random noise says so. nt Xipe Totec Jun 2014 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Jun 2014 #9
Easy. Signal passes from Point A to Point B. Just follow the trail. randome Jun 2014 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Jun 2014 #13
A finite state machine and a random number generator walk into a bar. Xipe Totec Jun 2014 #16
Or it may be something else. Neuroscience is a long ways from a definitive answer here. Vattel Jun 2014 #2
What Is Time? Determinism, Quantum Physics, Consciousness, Free Will, Xipe Totec Jun 2014 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Jun 2014 #10
In the Blink of Bird’s Eye, a Model for Quantum Navigation Xipe Totec Jun 2014 #14
Woo or not woo: that is the question. IMHO, not. ananda Jun 2014 #19
Well, that explains a lot! Demeter Jun 2014 #5
Not at my fingertips ,but depression helps folks look at the world realistically. AngryAmish Jun 2014 #6
I think that was pessimism, though, not depression Demeter Jun 2014 #7
What opens and folds like a Savonarola chair? ananda Jun 2014 #12
Background noise? Are you hatin' on Rush again? KamaAina Jun 2014 #15
That little spark is perhaps the real you buried inside the crude matter we think of as us. TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #17
Intelligence is picking up the very weak signals in the "background noise." hunter Jun 2014 #18
"radio static is used to carry a radio station." No. IDemo Jun 2014 #20

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randome

(34,845 posts)
11. Easy. Signal passes from Point A to Point B. Just follow the trail.
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 06:51 PM
Jun 2014

[hr][font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
So then I'm right about being wrong.
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Xipe Totec

(43,890 posts)
14. In the Blink of Bird’s Eye, a Model for Quantum Navigation
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 06:58 PM
Jun 2014

The retina is an extension of the brain...

European robins may maintain quantum entanglement in their eyes a full 20 microseconds longer than the best laboratory systems, say physicists investigating how birds may use quantum effects to “see” Earth’s magnetic field.

Quantum entanglement is a state where electrons are spatially separated, but able to affect one another. It’s been proposed that birds’ eyes contain entanglement-based compasses.

Conclusive proof doesn’t yet exist, but multiple lines of evidence suggest it. Findings like this one underscore just how sophisticated those compasses may be.

“How can a living system have evolved to protect a quantum state as well — no, better — than we can do in the lab with these exotic molecules?” asked quantum physicist Simon Benjamin of Oxford University and the National University of Singapore, a co-author of the new study. “That really is an amazing thing.”

http://www.wired.com/2011/01/quantum-birds/

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
5. Well, that explains a lot!
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 06:32 AM
Jun 2014

but seriously, an absence of that random firing could be an indicator of depression...

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
6. Not at my fingertips ,but depression helps folks look at the world realistically.
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 06:37 AM
Jun 2014

Otherwise, we are wildly optimistic.

hunter

(38,311 posts)
18. Intelligence is picking up the very weak signals in the "background noise."
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 07:41 PM
Jun 2014

I've got hard documentation that I've accomplished this, but I'm not always sure of it.

Nevertheless I make some claims upon the universe as it ought to be.

IDemo

(16,926 posts)
20. "radio static is used to carry a radio station." No.
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 09:37 PM
Jun 2014

The carrier waves of radio and television are not comprised of noise, or static. Static is produced by atmospheric effects including lightning; as well as by automobile ignitions, electric motors, and electrical noise from transmitting or receiving equipment.

Interesting article, but Dr. Bengson should stick to neuroscience.

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