Conservatives shake their boobs, wiggle their butts, and everyone here listens. Every time.

Hint: Andrew Sullivan is a Republican. He may not identify with the GOP, depending upon his mood, the day, the sun/moon cycle, whatever. But bottom line is, he's not a Democrat, he's not a liberal, he's almost literally a mouthpiece for hire.

That's what makes the quote interesting, that even Republicans see their problem.

I'm not kvetching at you, but in general: much more interesting to me, at DU which is supposed to be a website for real liberals, would be talk about what liberals say is wrong with the Republican Party, why they are wrong about everything, maybe even with some conservative Democrats giving their opinions.

Sullivan is not someone I would trust as far as I could throw him. His sympathies will ALWAYS lie with whoever can do the most for him personally. To Andrew Sullivan, everything is all about Andrew Sullivan. He is a narcissist extraordinaire.

the GOP has changed, more to the right, here at DU.
Let's use the stopped clock is right twice a day thingy.
I am interested when the GOP turns on itself.

Or maybe it's the opposite. Either way, both parties have been moving right for quite some time now and it's not pretty.

just getting rid of anyone and anything on the Left. Also seems like a move towards corporate fascism, corporations controlling both parties.

so he can be quoted here i can't stand him, but he seems to be in favor here.

Anyone that peddles libertarian horseshit is cool with him.

I'm starting to think our libertarian hunters are smelling the company they keep rather than the random people they accuse.

He's not a US citizen (he's a US permanent resident, not a citizen; he was barred from permanent resident status for some length of time because of rules on immigration of HIV-positive persons). And the whole "is a US citizen who can vote in American elections" is kind of a requirement for being a Republican (or for that matter a Democrat), I'd think.

he had a personal revelation about racism, and decided he liked Obama.

What's more, the Democrats under Obama are not a whole lot better than the Republicans. With the exception of the healthcare reform, which pushes private, for-profit healthcare as the only realistic alternative for most Americans, the Democratic Party is just as pro-privatization, and almost as anti-government as the Republicans. I'm exaggerating a bit, but not muchj.

The trade deals that are being negotiated secretly by the Obama administration are shamefully anti-government and anti-democratic. The Obama administration should be ashamed for taking any part in those deals to undermine our democracy. Take away our right to govern our financial sector and we are one step away from an utter and openly anti-democratic plutocracy.

So, don't talk about conservatives' shaky boobs and wiggly butts when we Democrats are shakin' and wigglin' too.

But, people tend to revel when members of the 'other side' make a statement supporting 'ours'

It's kind of similar to getting responses in general here and elsewhere. The more inflammatory the post, the more attention is paid. I like reading crooks and liars, but their headlines are 90% about what some conservative/republican said or did

If Obama (you or I) save 6 people from a burning building, it would likely get less play than the Westboro Baptist Church standing on a street corner

Only thing I can figure is, People enjoy reveling in the negative

I suppose I do it on occasion, too.

"This pen for hire," indeed.

FUX reported that "Obama bin Laden" was dead.

Democratic Supporter and Obama Delegate Osama Bin Laden Had Been Killed

Then they blamed an unnamed intern for the mistake

"I am not a liberal I am a Republican. I only seem liberal because I believe hurricanes are caused by barometric pressure and not gay marriage"

he was *nice* to Obama; nevermind that he was one of the war's biggest cheerleaders.

Greenwald on the Bush Admin

LOL Seriously, stop taking this so personally. It *ain't* healthy.

Obama. And posting barf-worthy fluff as to how he's not a perfect man.

It's true re: Sullivan. Same with those here who were ready to welcome Christie to the big tent Democratic Party because *he* was nice to Obama.

People agree with Greenwald's reporting because he is getting out very important information.

Meanwhile the Obama admin continues to get extensions to gather bulk info on all Americans which is unconstitutional.

I hope one day you will care about our democracy 1/10 as much as you care about Obama.

He's talking about the new Republican Party, nothing else.

Too many "evolving" opinions. That's what. And he's not a Quotable Liberal, just because he's gay and happens to *like* Obama.

I absolutely love posts in which emotions are assigned to others. Love, love, love!

I believe that's the correct term.

and that he really wasn't an anti-gay jerk.

liberal to support war in Nicaragua and Iraq! (until it's not); Kanye West and Uwe Boll make fun of Bush--so they're political-analytical gurus!; Giordano Bruno was burned--therefore the case had to do with science!; Confucius was persecuted--therefore he was a geologist!

officially it's called splitting

There's quite a bit of that happening here, a recent example being the Glenn Beck "liberals were right" threads.

themselves the most permanent are the likeliest to be arbitrary and utterly fungible

like a bad boyfriend, who's always right--ESPECIALLY when he reverses his opinion

was one of the leading cheerleaders for the illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq.

I guess I don't get over things very easily

I don't plan to forget

i don't forget shit

He only seems more liberal these days, because his own party went so far to the right regarding LGBT issues. His own ox gored him on that one.

that helps him seem more liberal too.

So nothing makes sense anymore.

The Democratic party, so it HAD to shift rightward to attract voters that is disinformation at its finest.

And I disagree...that is disinformation at its WORST.

from the depths of the BOG
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025141055

I saw the phrase 'progressives largely abandoned the party' which is horse shit in my opinion, but the rest of it was dissing the Repubs, which is not horse shit.

'progressives largely abandoned the party' eh? Who The Fuck Abandoned Who?

but with as faulty a premise as "progressives largely abandoned the party." i can't endorse it. i agree utter horseshit: the party abandoned its principles in order to "win." if that isn't the very definition of a pyrrhic victory, i don't know what is.

Noun 1. Pyrrhic victory - a victory that is won by incurring terrible losses

1. a victory in which the victor's losses are as great as those of the defeated.

that's triangulation in a nutshell.

Crazy crazy.

which begs the question: why should i vote for a party that believes i am a bigger threat than republicons?

".... Sullivan criticised the Bush administration for its prosecution of the wars, especially regarding the numbers of troops, protection of munitions, and treatment of prisoners including the use of torture against detainees in US custody. Though Sullivan believes that enemy combatants in the war on terror should not be given status as prisoners of war because "terrorists are not soldiers, he believes that the US government must abide by the rules of war—in particular, Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions—when dealing with such detainees. In retrospect, Sullivan says that the torture and abuse of prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq jolted him back to "sanity". Of his early support for the invasion of Iraq he says, "I was terribly wrong. In the shock and trauma of 9/11, I forgot the principles of scepticism and doubt towards utopian schemes that I had learned." "

from day one.

Good that he changed his position, but that doesn't mean that I plan to forget his support for all the war crimes starting with the illegal invasion, the lies and the destruction.

..in that quote. Unfortunately, they believe the Democratic Party is out to destroy that same myth.

Since Sullivan got banned from all the conservative shows he's been a little less of a prick. Not much less, but a little bit less.

The Koch/teabaggers are intent on destroying the greatest liberal democracy! And we have to quit fighting among ourselves and stop them.

And the irony is that conservative 'pundits' realize this, but approximately 50% of the voting public (the 50% who still vote Republican) do not.

Man, the Democratic Party must be INCREDIBLY inept at running election campaigns, or making a coherent message if they're continually in danger of losing to these troglodytes.

We focus on the non-stop insanity republicans spew (and I fall into this cause it is god darned mind bending just how bad the republicans are). But, the other half of the equation is that democrats have lost every bit of fight in equal proportion to how fanatic the republicans are. Democrats have taken an each man/women on their own approach, with every little in the way of party coherence on issues or messaging.

Frankly, that is part of why the republicans are so disjointed. While the evil liberal boogyman is always there, there is no threat or attacks from the democrats that would force them to circle their wagons.

The time is REALLY ripe to aggressively, I mean, really aggressively go after them. But, instead democrats are cowering in the corners.

is not guiding the DNC during this time.

The republican's destroyed him over the "scream."

A moment of genuine emotion and connecting with the people around him, and the republicans negatively framed it and the "liberal media" of course did their messaging.

What did the Democrats do?

Ran from it, said it was disgraceful, ect.

What would republican's have done?

Rallied behind it, said how great it was for someone to show emotion and connect with people.

Same thing as with the ACA ... Instead of trumpeting it and getting behind it and fighting for it, democrats crawl in a hole in the ground while republicans say whatever nonsense they want about it.

the GOP realizes this is exactly where they are going. I swear it is an honest . They have let their ideology trump all commons sense and bipartisanship.

So I found a citation 10/08/2013:

Thanks for the attribution.

look at the man the GOP put up for President last election: Romney.
The GOP is completely out of touch, and doesn't care about the future of this country beyond their own personal bank accounts, and that's what R$ was all about—hell, that's what Bush and Cheney were all about.

I don't have the time or the inclination take Andrew Sullivan down for all of his screaming hypocrisy over the last quarter century. For a detailed explanation of why this quote should be in the dictionary next to the word "disingenuous," please consult blogger Driftglass, who has made Bareback Andy (who, don't forget, unapologetically published Charles "Bell Curve" Murray during his tenure at eventheliberal New Republic) his special project for many years:

http://driftglass.blogspot.com/

except often the Republicans now seem nuttier than the John Birch Society.

That's what it's really all about and it's the ultra rich that are making all this happen behind the scenes. America has been bought and sold and it's not just the Republican Party participating in that deal.

Unless we favor a one party state, we need parties besides the Democratic Party. I think the utter destruction of the Republican Party would mean real trouble unless a new party forms quickly. At the same time, I think what's missing from Sullivan's statement is that the radical movement he describes has inconceivable amounts of money to spend and no morals whatsoever. It really worries me to know that people are voting on machines susceptible to hacking and lacking a paper trail. I also wouldn't put it past the money people to go out and hire assassins.

It's kind of like calling out a bullshitter, really.

Andrew is all about Andrew. He changes direction like the wind. If he were actually held to account for some of his exhortations, he wouldn't be turning in the wind, he'd be twisting in it.

You can start threads about those other concerns, too, ya know.

He's a right-wing opportunist homophobic racist...yeah, gay people can be homophobic, especially Repuke gays...fuck him.