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ralps

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Mon Jun 23, 2014, 09:00 PM Jun 2014

Mandatory Monday Malloy Truthseekers check in!! With Us, or Against Us? & a new Lion gif



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With Us, or Against Us?
Posted on June 23, 2014 by MalloyProducer • 3 Comments


The Obama administration doesn’t know when to quit when it’s ahead. It’s winning the war of public opinion in the Affordable Care debate; made it’s oddly-Eisenhower-esque commitment of 300 “military advisers” to quell the ISIS crisis in Iraq; and has made a sensible argument about raising the minimum wage. Then, as happens so often, comes a bombshell like this headline from ABC News:
US Justified Drone Killings by Citing Al-Qaida Law
Not good. Not good at all. The US Justice Department has rationalized the use of drone strikes against Americans by citing the questionable practices of Bush-era terror war (war crime) logic – anybody who is not our friend is our enemy. You’re either with us, or you’re with the terrorists. Here’s an excerpt from the ABC story:

The Obama administration justified using drones to kill Americans suspected of terrorism overseas by citing the war against al-Qaida and by saying a surprise attack against an American in a foreign land would not violate the laws of war, according to a previously secret government memorandum released Monday.

The memo provided legal justification for the September 2011 killing in Yemen of Anwar Al-Awlaki, an al-Qaida leader and one-time cleric at a northern Virginia mosque who had been born in the United States, and another U.S. citizen, Samir Khan, who edited al-Qaida’s Internet magazine. An October 2011 strike also killed Abdulrahman al-Awlaki, al-Awlaki’s teenage son and also a U.S. citizen. The memo, written by a Justice Department official, said the killing of al-Awlaki was justified under a law passed by Congress soon after the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks. The law empowered the president to use force against organizations that planned, authorized and committed the attacks.

In February, U.S. officials acknowledged that the Obama administration was considering authorizing the CIA or the military to kill another American, this one a militant hiding in Pakistan who allegedly has helped al-Qaida plan attacks against U.S. troops in neighboring Afghanistan. Justice Department lawyers were said to be reviewing the evidence and had not yet determined whether the president should add the American, identified by the New York Times as Abdullah al-Shami, to the so-called “kill list.”

A Yemeni human rights activist, Abdel-Rahman Barman, said the memo released Monday shows any security tip that reaches the U.S. government could lead to somebody being killed.

Is there a more important issue, Truthseeker, than the question of which circumstances give our government the power to kill us? The memo was only released after FOIA requests and was heavily redacted. Notably missing was the evidence that Al-Awlaki posed an imminent threat to the United States. With the Justice Department rubber-stamping the “kill list” from the White House, where are the checks and balances? We expected this from the Bush Crime Family, but didn’t Obama come into office pledging to stop this kind of questionable practice? Like his pledge to close GITMO . . . . (wait a minute . . .) The Guardian, UK has this:

Known as the Authorization to Use Military Force (AUMF), the broad and controversial 2001 law played a major role in the legal decision to kill Anwar al-Awlaki, the former al-Qaida propagandist and US citizen, in 2011, according to a redacted memorandum made public on Monday.
“We believe that the AUMF’s authority to use lethal force abroad also may apply in appropriate circumstances to a United States citizen who is part of the forces of an enemy authorization within the scope of the force authorization,” reads the Justice Department memorandum, written for attorney general Eric Holder on 16 July 2010 and ostensibly intended strictly for Awlaki’s case.

Among those circumstances: “Where high-level government officials have determined that a capture operation is infeasible and that the targeted person is part of a dangerous enemy force and is engaged in activities that pose a continued and imminent threat to US persons or interests.”

The 2nd US circuit court of appeals in Manhattan released the memo on Monday in response to a lawsuit from the American Civil Liberties Union and the New York Times.

US Drone strikes have killed or maimed thousands of people, the vast majority of them innocent bystanders. It seems an obvious question, but if the administration has complete justification for these strikes, why is there not full transparency? Why the need for a secret kill list if, in fact, killing these individuals (and the unlucky crowd standing nearby) is absolutely essential to national security? You would think they’d be bragging about all the work they are doing to keep America safe from further terror attacks, not hiding their actions under redacted memos that are only released under pressure of lawsuits.
This underscores the argument of why whistle-blower protections are so important in today’s Orwellian American. Why Edward Snowden’s and Chelsea Manning’s revelations are crucial to protecting what remains of our right to information about – and knowledge of – our government’s actions. (What a quaint idea . . .) We are being kept in the dark about the number of these targeted attacks and the determining factors at to who is considered an “imminent threat.” We deserve to know who is being killed – in our name – and why.
We need to know, Mr. President and, to borrow a phrase: Are you with us, or against us?
-KBM



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Mandatory Monday Malloy Truthseekers check in!! With Us, or Against Us? & a new Lion gif (Original Post) ralps Jun 2014 OP
Checking In... Liberal_Dog Jun 2014 #1
Hi Liberal_Dog! & You're 1st ralps Jun 2014 #3
Hi Liberal_Dog! smokey nj Jun 2014 #5
Here's tonight's LOL Kittehs! ralps Jun 2014 #2
Thanks ralps! smokey nj Jun 2014 #7
You're welcome smokey nj! I do too! ralps Jun 2014 #11
good evening, ralps. that lion gif is wonderful, very brave soul there! the others niyad Jun 2014 #17
Thanks niyad! & Crook & I say thanks, Hugs & Hi. For Sure! ralps Jun 2014 #19
Hi ralps and my fellow truthseekers! smokey nj Jun 2014 #4
Hi smokey nj!, Crook & I are doing good, How are you all doing? Hugs! ralps Jun 2014 #6
Hey ralps! smokey nj Jun 2014 #9
I sure will! & please give your kitties Lots of scritches & tummy rubs from me! ralps Jun 2014 #12
Will do, ralps! smokey nj Jun 2014 #13
Hi smokey nj Liberal_Dog Jun 2014 #8
Hey Liberal_Dog! smokey nj Jun 2014 #10
Kick! ralps Jun 2014 #14
good evening, everyone. niyad Jun 2014 #15
Hi niyad! smokey nj Jun 2014 #16
hi smokey nj, and my best back to you and the wee ones! doing okay here, niyad Jun 2014 #20
We're fine, thanks! smokey nj Jun 2014 #21
I lived half a block from the last evacuation line. spent four days watching that niyad Jun 2014 #24
Hi niyad! ralps Jun 2014 #18
Good night truthseekers, have a great one tomorrow! smokey nj Jun 2014 #22
Good Night smokey nj, Have a great day tomorrow, Take Care & Keep It Lit!! ralps Jun 2014 #23
Kick! ralps Jun 2014 #25
Kick! ralps Jun 2014 #26
Good Night Everyone, Have a great day tomorrow, Take Care & Keep It Lit!! ralps Jun 2014 #27

niyad

(112,053 posts)
17. good evening, ralps. that lion gif is wonderful, very brave soul there! the others
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 09:49 PM
Jun 2014

brought smiles and grins, with thanks. please give crook a big hug from me, and I wish you both a wonderful and peaceful evening.

smokey nj

(43,853 posts)
9. Hey ralps!
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 09:05 PM
Jun 2014

We're doing ok, thanks! Big s for you and my fuzzy buddy Crook! Please give him lots of ear scratches and tummy rubs from me and the NJ catz!

niyad

(112,053 posts)
20. hi smokey nj, and my best back to you and the wee ones! doing okay here,
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 09:52 PM
Jun 2014

getting some much-needed rain (greatly appreciated today, as it is the 2d anniversary of the waldo canyon fire, and many of us have been very nervous)

smokey nj

(43,853 posts)
21. We're fine, thanks!
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 10:00 PM
Jun 2014

I'm glad you're getting the rain that you need. That must have been terrifying - it's one of the things I hope I never have to experience.

niyad

(112,053 posts)
24. I lived half a block from the last evacuation line. spent four days watching that
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 10:04 PM
Jun 2014

monster, but had no idea when I finally turned off the tv that tuesday night what horrible news there would be in the morning. so, when I hear anybody around here whining about the rain, it is all I can do not to smack them, really, really hard.

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