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Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 02:03 PM Jun 2014

3,948 High School Students Use Guns Responsibly - Thousands of Rounds Shot with Zero Casualties

Mark Dayton opens trap shooting championship in Alexandria

ALEXANDRIA, Minn. -- Gov. Mark Dayton on Friday helped open what is billed as the world's largest youth trap shooting event.

The governor was in Alexandria to take part in the opening ceremonies of the Minnesota State High School Clay Target League's 2014 championship.

A total of 3,948 high school athletes were registered to shoot over the course of five days. Upwards of 15,000 people are expected at the local park during that time, and it got started with the governor addressing the Class A competitors and spectators on a perfect morning weather-wise for shooting.

"It's the fastest-growing high school sport in Minnesota -- over 6,100 participants," Dayton said. "It's just grown exponentially from when it started. Look at it here, 8 in the morning, and this place is just filled with parents and coaches and kids who are learning something they can do for the rest of their life and do responsibly."

More at link...

http://www.twincities.com/outdoors/ci_25919238/mark-dayton-opens-trap-shooting-championship-alexandria

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3,948 High School Students Use Guns Responsibly - Thousands of Rounds Shot with Zero Casualties (Original Post) Jenoch Jun 2014 OP
! zappaman Jun 2014 #1
Disgusting. HERVEPA Jun 2014 #2
Our governor disagrees with you. Jenoch Jun 2014 #5
I obviously knew that, since I read the post. HERVEPA Jun 2014 #13
IBTL eom MohRokTah Jun 2014 #3
Why? Jenoch Jun 2014 #7
Status of "big news" exceptions: There are currently no special exceptions. MohRokTah Jun 2014 #10
Then post that in all the other gun threads. former9thward Jun 2014 #39
I'll leave that to you. Eom MohRokTah Jun 2014 #40
Nope, I am not a censor. former9thward Jun 2014 #42
No inconsistencies here MohRokTah Jun 2014 #43
Amazing growth rate sarisataka Jun 2014 #4
What do you call David Duke parachuting into Desire Project? KamaAina Jun 2014 #6
Hey! This proves there's no problem with guns in this country! Aristus Jun 2014 #8
Thanks for the good news! zappaman Jun 2014 #9
Why is it ok to post a story Jenoch Jun 2014 #11
You may have answered your own question there. Aristus Jun 2014 #12
So, to take your logic further, Jenoch Jun 2014 #14
No. Nobody said that. Aristus Jun 2014 #17
If you don't think a cop saving a baby from a burning Jenoch Jun 2014 #24
Wow. Aristus Jun 2014 #27
"Laudable, and with a happy ending, but not news." Jenoch Jun 2014 #29
Minnesota is full of people who hunt and fish. MineralMan Jun 2014 #15
+1 Go Vols Jun 2014 #20
Lead shot? I was hoping not. Sigh. hunter Jun 2014 #16
Where did you get the idea they were using lead shot? Jenoch Jun 2014 #25
Here... hunter Jun 2014 #32
I didn't know they were using lead shot, Jenoch Jun 2014 #35
Still, lead ammunition ought to be banned. hunter Jun 2014 #46
So, you're okay with gun registration? SecularMotion Jun 2014 #18
The guns were not registered. There is no gun registration in MN. hack89 Jun 2014 #23
Oooooooh, burn derby378 Jun 2014 #41
So. you're okay with "signing up" to purchase a gun? SecularMotion Jun 2014 #47
Those kids were not buying guns hack89 Jun 2014 #48
Why are you so afraid of gun registration? SecularMotion Jun 2014 #51
Not scared of it hack89 Jun 2014 #52
i'm sure there are some drunk drivers who managed to drive home without getting into an accident JI7 Jun 2014 #19
What does several thousand high school students Jenoch Jun 2014 #26
The PR spin is delicious. It's fastest growing because something happened 5 years ago to expand it. Gormy Cuss Jun 2014 #21
None of what you posted contrqdicts what Governor Dayton is quoted as saying. Jenoch Jun 2014 #31
I don't believe that I asserted that it did, only that someone's PR machine is at full tilt Gormy Cuss Jun 2014 #38
The only PR machine might be the governor's communication staff. Jenoch Jun 2014 #58
This is excellent news, thanks for sharing it gratuitous Jun 2014 #22
The high school from my hometown has had a team Jenoch Jun 2014 #28
Yeah, only a dullard would not look at intent when we are talking about guuuuuuuuuuuns. Rex Jun 2014 #30
I thought DUers can title their threads in any manner they wish. Jenoch Jun 2014 #33
Yeah and your intentions speak volumes as to why you didn't post the orginal title. Rex Jun 2014 #34
Go back and read my OP. Jenoch Jun 2014 #36
I will consider it news when this happens in the inner city of Los Angeles. dilby Jun 2014 #37
How about in Manhattan? badtoworse Jun 2014 #45
Please poiint out in my OP Jenoch Jun 2014 #49
Excellent on a number of levels badtoworse Jun 2014 #44
I thought gun threads were relegated to our two gun threads...am I wrong here? CTyankee Jun 2014 #50
If only they'd leave it at shotguns for trap. They won't. They'll be toting and practicing Hoyt Jun 2014 #53
Is this true of all skeet shooters? My crystal ball is broken. Go Vols Jun 2014 #54
Obama is just pandering to gun culture, not becomming a member. Right wingers Hoyt Jun 2014 #55
That explains it then! Go Vols Jun 2014 #57
That's gonna upset the finger-wagging gun-humperators. flvegan Jun 2014 #56
 

HERVEPA

(6,107 posts)
2. Disgusting.
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 02:06 PM
Jun 2014

Yes, I know they're only shooting at clay pigeons.
Basic purpose of guns is to kill. This is nothing to celebrate.

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
7. Why?
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 02:11 PM
Jun 2014

There seems to be a lot of gun threads on GD. This is one about a Democratic Governor. Why should it be deleted?

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
10. Status of "big news" exceptions: There are currently no special exceptions.
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 02:22 PM
Jun 2014
General Discussion (Forum): About This Forum
Statement of Purpose

Discuss politics, issues, and current events. No posts about Israel/Palestine, religion, guns, showbiz, or sports unless there is really big news. No conspiracy theories. No whining about DU.

former9thward

(31,684 posts)
42. Nope, I am not a censor.
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 06:38 PM
Jun 2014

I don't care what is posted where. Just think it is fun to point out inconsistency.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
6. What do you call David Duke parachuting into Desire Project?
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 02:11 PM
Jun 2014

Skeet! (although I don't think Desire was rebuilt post-Katrina )

Aristus

(65,985 posts)
8. Hey! This proves there's no problem with guns in this country!
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 02:19 PM
Jun 2014

Yay!

A statistical sampling of high school kids who don't murder elementary school kids or blow their own genitalia off is good news! Nothing bad will ever occur at gunpoint in this country ever again. Hallelujah! Thank God for this study.

Now where are my guns and ammo?...

While we're on the subject, thousands of my patients didn't come in to the clinic with an illness this morning. We conquered disease! Yay! And I no longer have to practice medicine!

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
11. Why is it ok to post a story
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 02:30 PM
Jun 2014

about the misuse of guns and not a story about a Democratic governor using a gun responsibly?

Aristus

(65,985 posts)
12. You may have answered your own question there.
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 02:36 PM
Jun 2014

Using a gun responsibly shouldn't be a 'stop-the-presses' news story. The fact that, evidently, it is, is a pretty jarring statement about the level of gun-madness in this country.

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
14. So, to take your logic further,
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 02:57 PM
Jun 2014

it's ok to post stories about cops shooting someone, sometimes with cause, sometimes unjustly, but it would not be ok to post a story about a cop saving a baby from a burning building?

Aristus

(65,985 posts)
17. No. Nobody said that.
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 03:07 PM
Jun 2014

Nobody even implied that. The opposite of what I said would be a news story that says: "Cop does his job well and then goes home at night to his family." Laudable, and with a happy ending, but not news.

Anyway, people post stories about cops saving babies from burning buildings all the time. Or delivering milk to house-bound citizens, etc. Nobody says it's not okay.

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
24. If you don't think a cop saving a baby from a burning
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 05:16 PM
Jun 2014

isn't news, then you don't know what news is.

Aristus

(65,985 posts)
27. Wow.
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 05:21 PM
Jun 2014

Are you even reading my posts?



Once again, I didn't say a cop rescuing a baby wasn't news. Re-read what I wrote.

Go ahead.

I'll wait.





Got it?

Good.

I said a cop doing his job and then going home is not news.

The headline for that would read: "Police officer puts on uniform, drive to the precinct, answers role call, receives his assignments, walks his beat, or drives his patrol, writes a few tickets, has lunch, drives around some more, cautions a few skaters about helmet safety, has an uneventful day, and then goes home."

If you can come up with a way that that is a news story, let me know.

MineralMan

(146,116 posts)
15. Minnesota is full of people who hunt and fish.
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 03:00 PM
Jun 2014

One thing about these clay pigeon events that is important is that every one of those kids gets a thorough course in firearms safety and proper firearms handling.

It's Minnesota. The U of M even has a bass fishing team that competes nationally. Minnesotans hunt and fish. I encourage this kind of training for high school kids. Who knows, I might be in their vicinity during duck season, fishing somewhere. I want those with shotguns to have safety training.

hunter

(38,240 posts)
16. Lead shot? I was hoping not. Sigh.
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 03:02 PM
Jun 2014

Some days I think gun nuts get that way from breathing lead.

The minds of teens are still forming and lead is a potent neurotoxin causing potentially permanent learning and behavior disorders.


 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
25. Where did you get the idea they were using lead shot?
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 05:18 PM
Jun 2014

Even if they were, they would not be exposed to the lead.

hunter

(38,240 posts)
32. Here...
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 05:53 PM
Jun 2014

From 2013 Policies & Procedures Minnesota State High School Clay Target League:


All student athletes must use factory ammunition. A student athlete cannot use:

  • Reloaded cartridges
  • Any load other than lead shot
  • Tracers, copper and nickel coated shot.
  • Any load heavier than 3 dram eqivalent powder
  • Any load containing more tha 1-1/8 oz. shot.
  • Any load containing shot larger than 7-1/2.
  • Any load with a velocity greater than 1200 FPS


http://media.hometeamsonline.com/photos/htosports/waconiatrap/mshsctl2013rulesprocedures.pdf


Personally, I think lead ammunition ought to be banned. Period.

There's no reason to be poisoning our environment or our kids with lead. In many places it's already illegal to use lead shot for hunting, so the kids might as well be practicing with steel shot.
 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
35. I didn't know they were using lead shot,
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 06:01 PM
Jun 2014

but that does not mean they are in any danger, they aren't eating it for pete's sake. They're not even handling it.

Minnesota allows lead shot for upland bird hunting and small game hunting.

 

SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
18. So, you're okay with gun registration?
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 03:15 PM
Jun 2014
A total of 3,948 high school athletes were registered to shoot over the course of five days.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
48. Those kids were not buying guns
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 07:34 PM
Jun 2014

They are too young. They registered to compete. Just like you would register to play in a soccer tournament.

 

SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
51. Why are you so afraid of gun registration?
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 08:06 PM
Jun 2014

Anti-registration is one of the extreme positions along with open carry that helps feed the public perception of gun owners as paranoid gun nuts.

JI7

(89,151 posts)
19. i'm sure there are some drunk drivers who managed to drive home without getting into an accident
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 03:17 PM
Jun 2014
 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
26. What does several thousand high school students
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 05:20 PM
Jun 2014

participating in a state high school league sanctioned state tournament have to do with drunk driving?

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
21. The PR spin is delicious. It's fastest growing because something happened 5 years ago to expand it.
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 03:56 PM
Jun 2014

Perhaps someone familiar with MN and/or backers of school shooting clubs can fill in the story.

It's still a small scale sport with average participation of 35 students per team, 22 students per school and only 6100 statewide.
In contrast, there are about 500,000 high school students playing soccer.



Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
38. I don't believe that I asserted that it did, only that someone's PR machine is at full tilt
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 06:21 PM
Jun 2014

promoting a small enrollment sport as if it's the next soccer.

eta:

The Minnesota State High School Clay Target League is a 501(c)(3) non-profit corporation and the independent provider of shooting sports as an extra curricular coed activity to high schools for students in grades six through twelve who have their Firearms Safety Certification.


This is an independent activity, not a school sports team. It's also not a program just for high school students.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
22. This is excellent news, thanks for sharing it
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 03:59 PM
Jun 2014

This makes an almost irrefutable example of what can happen when shooters are well-regulated: Registered, firearms checked out beforehand, designated targets, rules on how many rounds can be fired, and when it's all over the firearms are checked back in and securely stored.

Under these conditions, no casualties. I like it very much. Can we institute a program like this nationwide?

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
28. The high school from my hometown has had a team
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 05:23 PM
Jun 2014

since the sport was introduced to high schools in Minnesota. I wish they trap shooting as a high school activity when I was a kid. I participated in fall and winter sports, but not in the spring except for track one year in the 8th grade, it was just too boring.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
30. Yeah, only a dullard would not look at intent when we are talking about guuuuuuuuuuuns.
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 05:28 PM
Jun 2014

Their intent was to go and complete in a sporting event, NOT kill people randomly in a H.S.

FAIL.

ORIGINAL title "Mark Dayton opens trap shooting championship in Alexandria" but your title is almost as good.

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
33. I thought DUers can title their threads in any manner they wish.
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 05:54 PM
Jun 2014

My original title is still the title of this thread.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
34. Yeah and your intentions speak volumes as to why you didn't post the orginal title.
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 05:55 PM
Jun 2014

Then again, everyone has already pointed it out to you so I won't waste anymore time on it.

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
36. Go back and read my OP.
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 06:06 PM
Jun 2014

Last edited Tue Jun 24, 2014, 07:52 PM - Edit history (1)

The original title is in my post. How did you miss it?

I'm impressed you understood my intentions. My original intention was to start a thread about a newspaper story that features my Democratic governor at a state high school tournament that had thousands of students shooting guns in a responsible manner. How could anyone miss my intentions?

dilby

(2,273 posts)
37. I will consider it news when this happens in the inner city of Los Angeles.
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 06:12 PM
Jun 2014

You can't say look at these kids in Minnesota and then try to use it as justification that Guns should be used by students across the United States.

 

badtoworse

(5,957 posts)
45. How about in Manhattan?
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 06:47 PM
Jun 2014

I went to high school in Manhattan and learned firearm safety and marksmanship in school. Obviously, we did not have a trap and skeet range; we had an indoor rifle range and learned on 50 foot targets. The school had a very competitive rifle team.

There is no reason why it couldn't be done in Los Angeles.

 

badtoworse

(5,957 posts)
44. Excellent on a number of levels
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 06:43 PM
Jun 2014

The kids learn proper gun safety, they develop shooting skills and compete with each other - all worthwhile activities.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
53. If only they'd leave it at shotguns for trap. They won't. They'll be toting and practicing
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 08:26 PM
Jun 2014

to shoot people under Stand Your Ground or Castle Doctrine with AR15s next. Gun promoters, like OP, will be happy.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
55. Obama is just pandering to gun culture, not becomming a member. Right wingers
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 09:23 PM
Jun 2014

on sites like Discussionist use that photo too.

Go Vols

(5,902 posts)
57. That explains it then!
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 09:37 PM
Jun 2014

I will not be going to Minn. to be killed by skeet shooters that turn into whatever evil being you described above.

flvegan

(64,384 posts)
56. That's gonna upset the finger-wagging gun-humperators.
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 09:26 PM
Jun 2014

You know, the ones that call every single person that has ever owned a gun a "gun humper" who deserves nothing but scorn. Look around. We're flush with them here.

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