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kpete

(71,990 posts)
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 10:05 AM Jun 2014

What is a Republican These Days? (from an inside source)

What is a Republican These Days?

Erick Erickson:

“At some point there will be more people with knives out to cut the strings than there will be puppeteers with checkbooks.”

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The problem for those who call themselves Republicans is that it is harder and harder to say exactly what a Republican is these days. The great lesson from Mississippi is that Republican means, more or less, that if elected the party will reward its major donors, who are just different than the Democrats' major donors. Policy differences are about different donors, not an actual agenda to shift the country in a different direction."


"I continue to oppose a third party. I'm just not sure what the Republican Party really stands for any more other than telling Obama no and telling our own corporate interests yes. That's not much of a platform.




http://politicalwire.com/archives/2014/06/25/what_is_a_republican_these_days.html
http://www.redstate.com/2014/06/25/the-marionettes-remain-uncut/
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djean111

(14,255 posts)
2. I feel this applies to both parties......
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 10:11 AM
Jun 2014
Policy differences are about different donors, not an actual agenda to shift the country in a different direction."
 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
8. By and large, its the same large corporate donors.
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 11:06 AM
Jun 2014

Goldman-Sachs is just as happy with Obama as they would have been with Romney... and they don't give a shit if gays can marry or not.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
10. "... and they don't give a shit if gays can marry or not. "
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 01:06 PM
Jun 2014

You got it right. And the social issues are used to drive wedges between democrats, quite successfully.
Criticize the TPP and chained CPI? Get slapped down with oh, but he says gay people should be able to marry!
Guess what? Social issues do not EXCUSE economic wrongs. They just don't. To make them the same thing, and to act as if well, there are only so many hours in the day, or whatever - that is playing right into corporate hands. They do not give a shit who marries who, they just use it as a wedge and a smokescreen. And to fall into line by insisting we cannot be angry about economic issues because of social issues is just dancing to their tune like puppets.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
3. The GOP is a collection of PR techniques
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 10:11 AM
Jun 2014

designed to anger and divide people.

There is no positive or constructive objective, just the aim of angering and dividing.

And now, post-McCutcheon and Citizens United, they have unlimited funds to anger and divide even themselves.

SamKnause

(13,102 posts)
4. What is a Republican today ????
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 10:38 AM
Jun 2014

UnAmerican Traitorous Bastards.

UnTrustworthy.

Warmongers.

Corporate Shills.

Pro Planet Polluters.

Anti Women.

Anti Equality.

Religious Frauds.

Anti Science.

Racists.

Anti Union.

Anti Health Care.

Pro Continuing the Fake and Failed Drug War.

World Interventionists.

Unfair Trade Lovers; (known as Free Trade).

Sore Losers.

Frightened and angry that pasty white men will soon be the minority.

Pro Death Penalty.

Anti Social Services.

Pro Privatization.

Pro Restricting voting rights.

P.S. There are TOO MANY Democratic politicians that side with the Republicans on many of these issues. This country did not get into the shape it is in solely because of Republican policies.



gordianot

(15,237 posts)
6. My barber makes the call Republicans are the "I'm against it" party.
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 10:47 AM
Jun 2014

In a rare solo confession without the usual population of elderly Foxified geriatric philosophers he made the call. Being in buisness for 35 years his favorite President, Bill Clinton, people dropped $20.00 bills and said keep the change, that stopped with George W Bush and has only recently improved. He also states that Republicans cannot tell you what they are for other than they are "a-gin it" and that you should be able to get what you want "cheap". I would say a rather simplistic assessment but he was spot on, not the worlds best barber but he handles listening to the most outrageous crap with good humor and is a master at redirecting conversations.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
7. A Republican is someone who is motivated by voting against something.
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 11:05 AM
Jun 2014

A Democrat is someone who is motivated by voting for something.

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
9. Freeloaders...
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 11:21 AM
Jun 2014

They run for office claiming that they are for liberty and freedom, but when they're elected and expected to 'do something' they rush from one cataclysm to the next:

Obamacare roll out problem
Benghazi
IRS
Bergdahl traitor
Benghazi
Etc.

The conservative voting bloc is supportive of them finding fault with Obama - so they don't even think about the fact that legislators are supposed to be legislating.

If they don't like specific rules - then they should work to restrict or lessen those rules. Instead they go on every talk show that they can and whine about how awful things are.

We pay them whether they work on legislation or just Dick around all day on Fox News.

Freeloaders - that's what republicans are.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
11. "Establishment conservatives versus reactionary conservatives"
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 01:20 PM
Jun 2014
There are a couple of really key differences, one of which has to do with change. An establishment conservative doesn’t necessarily embrace change of any kind; in fact, there’s a reason they cling to conservatism, because they prefer stability. So they don’t necessarily embrace change, but what they do do is they know that necessary in order to maintain a stable society over the long haul … What they want is, if a change is going take place, they prefer to have organic, controlled change versus revolutionary change. In other words, evolutionary versus revolutionary change. You can see that in the works of Edmund Burke, who railed against the French Revolution because it was such a drastic change and he would have preferred more evolutionary change, not something so drastic that it completely overturned the foundations of society. The difference between these establishment conservatives is that they see change as a necessary “evil,” if you will, in order to maintain a stable society over the long run.

Now, a reactionary conservative, they don’t want change at all. In fact, they want to look backwards in time to a time during which their social group — their power and cultural hegemony was unquestioned. Beyond that, they will do anything they can to protest social change of any kind, up to and including breaking the law … That’s what the Klan did; that’s what the Tea Party has done on a couple of occasions with their violence. It’s not as much violence as you saw with the Klan in the 1920s, but you do see some of the ways in which they break law and order. If you’re a real conservative, you’re supposed to be all about law and order. But these reactionary conservatives — they’re not completely about law and order if it means capitulation and the loss of their social prestige.

Another axis of difference between the two is that an establishment conservative will see policy differences or policy preference differences between them and progressives as merely political differences. But these reactionary conservatives see policy differences, or differences of policy preferences, as a contest between good and evil. They have this Manichaean way of looking at politics, this apocalyptic way of looking at politics. Therefore, compromise cannot be . Compromise will not be tolerated whatsoever, because they see it as concession to evil, whereas an establishment conservative knows that compromise is necessary.

The bottom line is that a lot of people assume that the Tea Party people are just crazy … but that’s not the case. I mean, that’s really not the case, and I want to dismiss that misconception as soon as I can … Another misconception that the Tea Party is really just a bunch of racist people and that their movement is about racism — and it’s really not … It’s bigger than racism. People who tend to support the Tea Party, they tend to be sexist, they tend to be homophobic, they tend to be xenophobic; so it’s not just about race. It’s about difference. It’s about anything that violates their phenotypical norm of what it’s supposed to mean to be an American: white, mainly male, middle-class, middle-aged or older, heterosexual, and native born. Anything that falls beyond that description is considered not to be a true American and therefore … these groups are encroaching on what they see as the “real” America, the America that they’ve come to know and love through their lifetime.

http://www.salon.com/2014/06/25/tea_partys_scary_new_rise_inside_the_movements_terrifying_revitalization/

Populist_Prole

(5,364 posts)
12. Bitter and fearful "white flight-ers" and gun nuts
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 01:41 PM
Jun 2014

Hyper christian may or may not be part of the mix. Not really conservative in the sense of say, William F Buckley. More reactionary.

Sounds overly simplistic, but it's been my observation interacting with people over the years.

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