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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThere's a sense among the liberal community that their battle for a different kind of Russia is lost
To flee or not to flee? That has always been the question for a certain stratum of Russian society, from Tsarist times through the Soviet period and the chaos of the 1990s, and up to the present day. People have left Russia in various waves of emigration for political, ethnic or economic reasons.
In recent weeks, the topic has yet again become ripe for discussion. As opinion polls suggest that President Vladimir Putin's approval ratings among Russians are higher than ever, there is a sense among the urban liberal community that their battle for a different kind of Russia is lost.
The Russian journalist Leonid Bershidsky, who recently left Moscow for Berlin, wrote a piece that was much discussed on Facebook in which he said that his decision to leave was part of a new wave of emigration.
In one of a multitude of recent articles in the liberal press about the dilemma of emigrating, columnist Zoya Svetova recalls arguments in her parents' kitchen during the late Soviet era, when people quarrelled over whether emigration was heroic or traitorous. Now, she says, emigration is certainly not traitorous, but it is "giving up".
"I am completely against the heroisation of leaving, saying: 'We are so great, we can't live here any more, we'll come back when Russia becomes more European.' Of course, Russia will become more European. But for that to happen, we need to live here, now."
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/25/russia-new-wave-emigration-annexation-crimea
Liberals discussing leaving Russia sounds like liberals talking about leaving the US. Do you leave for a better, more liberal life somewhere else if you can or do you stay and work to make your country what you want it to be.
betterdemsonly
(1,967 posts)That it means in America. What the media calls liberal in Russia is someone more like Ted Cruze. That's a fact. American liberal anticommunists are often blind to their lack of reguard for social justice. Yeltsin was a real pig but neoliberals from the Clinton era still glow over what he did.
pampango
(24,692 posts)I think most people who strive for income equality, effective safety nets, open democracy, a free press and gay rights can be defined as liberal. If they wanted Russia to be more like the US, rather than like Europe, I would agree that they would not be liberal.
betterdemsonly
(1,967 posts)campaign the Eu has imposed on Europe. Nor are you paying attention to any of the huge antiausterity protests against the Eu.
pampango
(24,692 posts)there is extensive support for gay rights and the safety nets are the best in the world. Europe is far from perfect - no place is - but it is a far sight more liberal than the US or Russia.
betterdemsonly
(1,967 posts)is not. It is more like Pinochet. The income inequality you talk about is in no way supported by the Eu so joining it won't give it to them. That was achieved when the Western countries were independent.
pampango
(24,692 posts)I suspect they mean that they hope that Russians eventually enjoy the level of income equality that Europeans have. They made no mention of it joining the EU.
I hope that Americans eventually become "European" in the sense that they enjoy the degree of income equality that Europeans have - though the US will obviously never be part of the EU.
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)Herr Putin is imprisoning those who call for social justice, so your propaganda falls flat.
betterdemsonly
(1,967 posts)He maybe doing that, but he may still be better than the austerian EU. The Eu are dismantling social democracy in Western Europe. They sureley aren't going to allow anything of the kind come into to being in the Eastern part.
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)The choice is obvious...
betterdemsonly
(1,967 posts)is imprisoning those who protest austerity and privatization in Greece. She is also choosing leaders in Italy instead of accepting democratic results that are opposed to austerity and privatization.