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That means Warren can get by the cut.

I'm curious.

Since it is secret. But she was a Republican until sometime in the 80s. Don't remember what year.

She was 40 years old in 1989. So she was probably a Republican into the 1990s.

I have no problem with that unless someone brings up the bs argument that Hillary was a Goldwater girl when she was in high school long before she could even vote ( at age 21)

I don't know if Warren has or not.

these sheep are both problem and the result of endless propaganda and the politics of fear and hate, two things that should be banned in politics.

yet I feel like I'm on the right site.

Hate is destructive.

and will see it ended.

Your opinion about which side I'm on is your business, not mine. Knock yourself out.

I don't get it. And then I don't get the need to post about it, usually starting with something like "I was just changing the channel when I..." (sat and watched a whole show and then posted about it.)

I can handle about 5 minutes before I start throwing stuff at the TV.

I don't know what channel it's on now. There are so many channels of crap I don't want to see and now the technology means I don't have to.

Same with the NRA. Fact deniers are not welcome in any debate, any time, any where.

I don't see them as enemies.

Wrong site, my friend.

I can't stand to watch their news so I am wrong? I live in Georgia. I see and hear enough of the ideas I would imagine they discuss. The same ideas they spew from listening to crap radio. I would rather put my efforts into education. And those on du who need to divide are the ones on the wrong site.

is asking for too much.

If I want to engage with trolls and those not understanding of the Animal Farm like practise of Fox I could go to Huff Post.

I love DU because trolls are rapidly identified and removed, I do not want unaware Fox watchers in any stage of the Fox programming process.

I have been here for nearly ten years. I know about trolls. I also know Obama is not a failure. I don't need to watch Fox news for any reason.

They more than any other televised network lead the fight, in overall dumbing down of the American People on a wide array of issues, waging war and global warming to name just a couple.

In regards to the growing catastrophe of global warming too much is at stake to allow me the comfort of pity.

You may not see them as enemies, but if the U.S. specifically and humanity in general doesn't alter its behavior fast enough, millions to hundreds of millions of people will die or have their lives devastated from the results of our inaction.

To me there is no greater enemy than ignorance and inaction on such a critical issue.

I get ill listening to those Fox and NRA bastards. They lie so nicely.

I don't hate them.

Just think they are filled with a bunch of folks who are too wet to step on and too low to kick.

Hating them would be a waste of my time.

Like that one, never heard it before.

And I agree, hating them uses too much energy.

so I can swear at it.

And I try not to hate anybody.

This is a website for democrats. Some democrats are skeptical of gun control. This is an acceptable position.

This is my point. This rah-rah I hate them more than the next person does absolutely nothing to win the debate or actually convince anyone that you're right.

Also I don't think you're the person who gets to set purity standards for who is or isn't allowed to join this website. Especially given that, no offense, you've been posting here a few months and other people have been doing it for nearly a decade.

I thought a cult was a religious organization that entraps people in a byzantine sets of rules and then attempts to extract as much money as possible for them.

Apparently, it just means any organization that has objectives and principles you dislike.

This is what I mean. This is absolutely empty rhetoric meant to pander exclusively to the already converted. If someone was unconvinced and your argument was "THE NRA IS A CULT" they'd just come out of it think you're crazy.

cult noun, often attributive \ˈkəlt\
: a small religious group that is not part of a larger and more accepted religion and that has beliefs regarded by many people as extreme or dangerous

: a situation in which people admire and care about something or someone very much or too much

: a small group of very devoted supporters or fans

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cult

o.o

You're making broad, unsubstantiated accusations against multiple persons you have never met and do not know, yet now those that are trying to get some clarity from you are "Definition Nazi's [sic]"?

Perhaps it you that's on the wrong board.

This is why I find this kind of amusing and sad at the same time. You've seem to have single highhandedly determined that DU has absolutely nothing more to gain from discussion on this issue. If people disagree with you they need to just get out and they are probably just dangerous cultists anyways.

Criticisms of the jury system are overblown.

Hanging him on my wall of Fox and NRA skins.

the nra is just the nutcase group that distracts us from the real criminals/real power

as long as we are distracted by their insanity, we dont see the profit motive of promoting a very warped version of the second amendment

Anger? Fuck yeah!

People on DU really think America watches tons of cable commentary shows but they simply don't. Getting enraged about FoxNews is like getting enraged over some guy handing out right wing leaflets in the mall parking lot.

Not exactly raging fury at the NRA now is it? I'm far more opposed to guns than she is.

And your response is nonsense. Right wing violence has existed forever in the US, it was not the result of some cable commentary channel watched by a tiny group of elderly wingers. It is a result of Republican philosophy and the rhetoric of elected officials. FoxNews itself is a result of those same things.
When I read crap that pumps up the power of FoxNews, I assume the poster supports FoxNews or vice versa. Just fyi.

The right to bear arms is not the issue, the issue is the right to foment violence for the sake of politics, which is what Fox does, with the aid and abetting of the NRA.

not to mention opposing any and all gun controls or even background checks supported by their own members, such as your good self, overwhelmingly support, they sure do defend those "liberties", give you that.

Not to mention Cricket guns for kids, that is liberty right there.

and who doesn't?

Mommy.

All he wants to do is run around telling everyone how he is a real democrat and everyone else is a tea-bagger.

but I have seen some pretty OTT comments to other members.

mine, it is a way through. But those that spread pure propaganda without regard for facts, yes, I hate hate them with a passion, they are the enemy, I do not feel bad about it. And I keep my enemies close, too. Just not at my home.

it has to do with him telling us whether or not we belong, but me and Fred are cool.

I prefer to do my best to follow the examples set by Gandhi and King. I do not think that puts me on the "wrong side."

Hate is a mighty risky thing. People think they control it. But it always contaminates the vessel which contains it. And it too often takes control over people's lives.

There are organizations and individuals -- Fox News and the head of the NRA, for example -- who are attempting to stir up dangerous impulses, such as hate and phobia. We should oppose their agenda. But not by adding to the amount of hatred and fear that contaminate our society.

too much work, counterproductive and against my principles.

Since my world isn't black and white, not hating a group does not mean I support the group.
Edit> I find the 'with us or against us' attitude more befitting of another party...

This thread is getting curiouser...

I have no use for hate.

I dislike both of those organizatons, particularly the NRA. But insisting if people don't hate with a burning passion, there is something wrong with them is destructive. Any political action requires an ability to work across ideological differences. Hate makes that impossible.

"Poster didn't hate Fox News and the NRA enough" so I'm not sure your pronouncement has made it into the TOS yet. Much like your mangling of the word "genocide" in another thread, your insistence on "hate" here is just so much unhelpful rhetoric.

What point are you trying to make?

And which side are you trying to insult?

???

That'll go well.

We'd still be ruled under a British monarchy.

Your at the right site?

and if a lobby is all you see, you may not be seeing very clearly.

And thanks for proving my point

Righteous and passionate hate.

There is no apathetic and indifferent hate

Understand?

I was wondering if someone would catch that little toss.


Nice!

'How can you love a floor wax'

But it was SNL that first popped into my mind.

I'm sure most of here enjoy being told what to do, read, listen to or watch..............probably not.

It's not good for me, or for the rest of the world.

I would like to see a major shift in the U.S. away from right wing propaganda sources.

I don't think making pronouncements about who should be here, and who shouldn't, is appropriate. If you see a thread you think is inappropriate, alert on it.

and hate site should not post here, they are so very, very, tragically, indefensibly, inexplicably, wrong.

Their influence while still not getting that is damaging to the site.

Is it wrong to hate such a source or site, the antithesis of this site?

I think that hate is self-destructive and makes a problem worse, not better.

I'd rather engage in more productive opposition. Opposition to be sure, though. In the case of FOX news, first of all, I don't give them air time, and I don't empower them by spending much time even talking about them. I DO get news from better sources, and share better sources with others.

Or, instead of just hating, start collecting examples of bad journalism to share with anyone who wants to talk about FOX. Providing evidence for why they aren't credible when it counts. Of course, that would require actually tuning in, so I haven't gone that far.

best.

I dislike some people or things but life is way too short to waste it on hatred.

I do not hate anyone or anything, that would be to allow others to control me.

How can you hate something you barely know?

error. I watch what they do to the debate, which is to debase it.

And Fox has many on the internet who watch for me.

Newshounds is one of them, where their motto is "We watch Fox so you don't have to".

http://www.newshounds.us

I like your passion. We need more of it on DU.

by relative newcomers to this board what the standards are for me to hang around.


Makes me all warm and fuzzy.