"dumb war", imaginable. I wish I would have read in it 2002.. but it was years later when I was already supporting then Senator Obama in the primary that I became aware of it.

thank you for the Graphics with PBO's quotes from the speech in October 2002 and evidently in November 2002.

it's experiencing a much needed encore.

Here's the transcript:

Good afternoon. Let me begin by saying that although this has been billed as an anti-war rally, I stand before you as someone who is not opposed to war in all circumstances. The Civil War was one of the bloodiest in history, and yet it was only through the crucible of the sword, the sacrifice of multitudes, that we could begin to perfect this union, and drive the scourge of slavery from our soil. I don't oppose all wars.

My grandfather signed up for a war the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed, fought in Patton's army. He saw the dead and dying across the fields of Europe; he heard the stories of fellow troops who first entered Auschwitz and Treblinka. He fought in the name of a larger freedom, part of that arsenal of democracy that triumphed over evil, and he did not fight in vain. I don't oppose all wars.

After Sept. 11, after witnessing the carnage and destruction, the dust and the tears, I supported this administration's pledge to hunt down and root out those who would slaughter innocents in the name of intolerance, and I would willingly take up arms myself to prevent such tragedy from happening again. I don't oppose all wars. And I know that in this crowd today, there is no shortage of patriots, or of patriotism.

What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other armchair, weekend warriors in this administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.

Read More: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=99591469

and K&R!

Is why I voted for him in the Primary and both general elections and why I still support him.
In this teahadist upside down world we live in today if he wants something he has to first say he is against it, likewise if he doesn't want something he has to say he does. How crazy is that?

reading his history of record. We were so fortunate to get in him.. for 2 Terms!

So he could fight the party of No.

Up is down, right is left, in is out. Crazy world we live in now. The craziness got started with the forced resignation of tricky dick but it really got bad with the election of the President we have today. In their eyes he has two things going against him. Actually three, one is he is Black, two is he is a member of the Democratic Party and not to be forgotten, three, is he is the product of a one parent family. If the pukes had their way when you got married you were stuck with it come hell or high water, good or bad there would be no way out. Course they'd not adhere to that way of thinking for a second in their personal lives. How a republiCON can look him/herself in the mirror is beyond me

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But then again, to call the "Mess-o-Potamia" a "dumb war" is really being a little too kind.

on were the lies perpetrated for it and the neo-con logic behind it.

Thank you!

He was so eloquent here.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=99591469

Op Eds in major newspapers. If it was Japan he would be expected to fall on his sword for such crimes as he committed.

keep looking up at the sky. (Wild turkeys are some of the smartest animals on the planet, by contrast.)

I used to think that Iraq should remain united until I remembered that it's a cobbled-together nightmare of a nation anyway, created by international powers that never wanted them to be strong and united. The Kurds, Shiites, and Sunnis are ancient enemies. Then I realized that even if they did divide into more naturally grouped 3 nations, they'd STILL be fighting each other for the same reasons. So I'm not too sure about all that except for one thing; it's THEIR problem to fix, not ours. Like Afghanistan, that's a place where foreign armies go to die.

I WANT everyone to have peace and plenty. But we can't force feed democracy to anyone, especially when we don't exactly do it justice either.

They never listen. I love your description about the domestic turkeys. So true. Sadly so true.

Yes it is indeed their problem.

His mother was an anthropologist. What do you expect?

Of course he understands that other peoples have other cultures. That's the key. Obama respects people who are not American. That understanding and his respect for other nations are real assets for America.

I don't wake up in the middle of the night thinking the POTUS might have done something stupid we didn't know about, it's better

Thanks for the thread, sheshe.

http://www.pnhp.org/news/2008/june/barack_obama_on_sing.php

"Full quote from Obama in 2003:

“I happen to be a proponent of a single payer universal health care program.” (applause) “I see no reason why the United States of America, the wealthiest country in the history of the world, spending 14 percent of its Gross National Product on health care cannot provide basic health insurance to everybody. And that’s what Jim is talking about when he says everybody in, nobody out. A single payer health care plan, a universal health care plan. And that’s what I’d like to see. But as all of you know, we may not get there immediately. Because first we have to take back the White House, we have to take back the Senate, and we have to take back the House.”

Obama speaking to the Illinois AFL-CIO, June 30, 2003."


What one does afterwards also matters ... if you vote repeatedly to fund a "dumb war" or subsequently block proponents of a SPHC system from having a voice at the national HC debate.

Words vs. actions.

Per corporate media, papers, hate radio, et al,

Pres O should have fixed it and War, War, War!

Impeach, impeach, impeach! If it were a GOP he would have been impeached! If it were a GOP the liberal news would have been on top of with the IRS scandal and all the others! Whine, bitch, complain if it was us us us . . .

Ummmmmm, non-stop coverage of all the bullshit scandals and anything that Pres O does is totally wrong.

Cry effing babies.

Dammit, they own it.

put out by the RW/Tea party MSM. Even when confronted with FACTS they choose Faux news & other RW mouths!


Thanks sheshe2!!

many of us also knew how disastrous it was - it didn't take a rocket scientist to know - and we thought it SUCKED when we were told to LOOK FORWARD

but the way the wingnuts at my job tell it, he broke it when he withdrew all the troops... they spin as in WWII we still have bases in Japan and Germany and all over Europe, as in Korea we still stand watch on the 39th parallel, they claim Obama never had a desire to see Iraq stabilize and for political expediency he ended up creating the conditions that allowed the country to dissolve into this chaotic mess. They claim history will judge it not for the removal of the dictator Sadaam but for the removal of the U.S. forces too prematurely....

I guess this debate will rage on an on now until the country either splits apart or heals itself....

I would spend the whole day doing this.

Thanks for your response humbled.