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babylonsister

(171,064 posts)
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 11:25 AM Jun 2014

Jenny Beth Martin, Tea Party Patriots Founder, Collecting Half-Million Dollar Government Bailout


Jenny Beth Martin, Tea Party Patriots Founder, Collecting Half-Million Dollar Government Bailout

Posted by: Josh Kilburn
June 24, 2014


There’s a documented phenomena on the political right: they’ll stand strong against something, say, government help, until they need it. Then, suddenly, it’s something that they deserve. And them alone, because they’ll go right back to protesting it after they get it. A case in point is Jenny Beth Martin, the co-founder and head of the Tea Party Patriots, who recalled her bankruptcy to the Washington Post and wound up highlighting this sort of “all for me, none for thee” hypocrisy that is rife on the political right.

The Daily Kos, quoting from the Washington Post article,says that Martin and her husband wound up owing the IRS $500,000 after their company failed. Martin, described as a “wellspring for that odd Tea Party message of anti-government self-reliance,” ended up filing bankruptcy to avoid the $500,000 in back taxes. As the Washington Post reports:

“I was very frustrated by the TARP bill, because nobody bailed us out, and we weren’t looking for a bailout,” Martin says in a coffee shop outside of Jackson. It’s a message she uses often, saying that no one bailed out her husband’s company when it failed. As for being bailed out themselves, Martin has had to publicly contend with the fact that she and her husband filed for bankruptcy, a bailout of its own sort.


Make no mistake: bankruptcy is a bailout, and that’s still $500,000 that the American taxpayers will have to pick up. But that’s okay. It’s preferable to the other option, which seems so popular today: smugly and self-righteously watching as someone drowns because they made one single mistake, because they weren’t absolutely perfect, rather than throwing them a life-preserver and saving them.

Less well known is the fact that her husband accepted unemployment for a time, something else she has explained.

“I’ve never said that there should be no safety net,” she says. “That decision was more difficult for him than the decision not to stay in our house. .?.?. We were scraping by.”


This is the difference between the Tea Party and the liberals. The Tea Party and those on the right-wing want the social safety net there for themselves, but not for anyone else. Liberals likewise want it there for themselves as well, but they also realize that if it exists for them, it exists for others, too, and we’ve accepted that fact. We’ve moved beyond it, integrated it into who we are into our political identity. We’re okay with people we don’t know using it.

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Jenny Beth Martin, Tea Party Patriots Founder, Collecting Half-Million Dollar Government Bailout (Original Post) babylonsister Jun 2014 OP
"I got mine and screw you, Jack" is their mantra. hobbit709 Jun 2014 #1
Or "We are deserving, you're a moocher." n/t Gormy Cuss Jun 2014 #4
let Craig T. Nelson explain Enrique Jun 2014 #2
"I've been on food stamps and welfare. Did anyone bail me out? No." nt ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2014 #5
Was he being hypocritical (my guess), or was he pointing out hypocrisy? Dustlawyer Jun 2014 #9
your guess was right Enrique Jun 2014 #13
The worm turned on him IkeRepublican Jun 2014 #18
Did they just stiff taxpayers, or were there private creditors, landlords, workers, etc? TheBlackAdder Jun 2014 #3
They owed half a million to the IRS, then didn't have to pay them, as it says in the article. TeamPooka Jun 2014 #14
Bankruptcy got me off the streets, from living out of my car after a year and a half. gtar100 Jun 2014 #21
oof Egnever Jun 2014 #25
Hey Jenny Beth: muntrv Jun 2014 #6
I'm confused packman Jun 2014 #7
there are different kinds of bankruptcy OKNancy Jun 2014 #11
amazing to me that they were ALLOWED to get that far in the hole hfojvt Jun 2014 #8
As Romney explained "47% takes", he has to include Romney, one of his venture companies Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #10
Time out: Bankruptcy is a perfectly legal and intelligent decision for many people OKNancy Jun 2014 #12
They are not knocking Bankruptcy as much as the hypocrisy of the Bankrupt. TeamPooka Jun 2014 #16
It's the hypocrisy, not the bankruptcy that is being criticized. Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #17
Even the social safety nets we know we'll never need we support. JoeyT Jun 2014 #15
These are the same people Stargazer09 Jun 2014 #19
This is a common theme with the RightiesŪ. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #20
+ one zillion mega plusses. BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2014 #22
In other words, the Tea Party is for Welfare Queens. McCamy Taylor Jun 2014 #23
Jenny Beth Martin: It's all about me, myself & I!!! Tea Party marker; LACK OF EMPATHY!! hue Jun 2014 #24
I hate these pull up the ladder behind them, grifter, hypocritical, my dog eats your dog, kairos12 Jun 2014 #26

TheBlackAdder

(28,189 posts)
3. Did they just stiff taxpayers, or were there private creditors, landlords, workers, etc?
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 11:55 AM
Jun 2014

I've seen that post, and normally when someone makes the decision to declare bankruptcy, they are in the frame of mind to stiff as many people as they can--to completely get off scott free or close to it.

Were there private investors, landlords, employees, banks, suppliers, etc that got stiffed as well?

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Bankruptcy (or the act of stiffing people) is a bailout that could hurt many people, not just the US Treasury.

gtar100

(4,192 posts)
21. Bankruptcy got me off the streets, from living out of my car after a year and a half.
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 01:52 PM
Jun 2014

Through it, I got out of $1500 of credit debt, and the remaining $3000 on my car. In exchange I gave up said car, was able to continue paying child support and alimony, continue to pay off my student loan, and move into a $500 a month studio apartment close enough to work I could walk or ride the bus. I'm sure Wells Fargo and Target are doing just fine despite my having "stiffed" them. Uncle Sam hasn't missed a dime from me and no landlords (god bless their intermediary souls) or small businesses were part of the deal. But they easily could have been if I were a more active consumer.
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No doubt people abuse bankruptcy but don't be too quick with your disdain. There are real, sensible reasons it is a legal practice. There is good reason it's called "forgiveness". You might be someone who's never needed any of that. I don't know. I'd have to know you personally to know that, just like I'd have to know more about each individual or business that filed for bankruptcy to know whether or not it appears justified to me. But that's the role of the judge. They are better at that sort of thing than me.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
25. oof
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 02:21 PM
Jun 2014

I am glad you are doing better but bankruptcy for 4500 seems like a really extreme decision.

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
7. I'm confused
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 12:26 PM
Jun 2014

I thought bankruptcy sheltered you and called off the wolves so you could regroup. BUT the IRS can be put at bay from bankruptcy filing? This is news to me, I believed they could come after you regardless of the bankruptcy blanket.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
8. amazing to me that they were ALLOWED to get that far in the hole
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 12:27 PM
Jun 2014

Let's face it $500,000 is more money than many people will ever be able to pay back in a life time. At age 52 I have not even made $500,000 in wages in my whole life, much less be able to pay a debt that large. I'd have to work almost 15 years at my current job just to make that much money.

But also, why wouldn't a business owner pull the plug before the debt got that large?

I am thinking he must have had employees and thus on my paycheck of yesterday which says Fica - $81.64, med - $19.09, fed - $111.63, state - $41.40. And then the employer share of fica, another $100.73 would be owed to the IRS. But even that would require 1,597 paychecks making my salary to owe that much. That's 228 employees if he is paying taxes quarterly, but a company that big should be paying monthly, shouldn't it?

Interesting to me that at some point the employee will file taxes, and collect a refund, or get credit for, money which has not actually been paid.

That $500,000 may include a whole bunch of penalties too for late payments.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
10. As Romney explained "47% takes", he has to include Romney, one of his venture companies
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 12:42 PM
Jun 2014

received $44 million for pension replacement which had government backup after Romney took it over. Cheney's Halliburton received a no bid contract in Iraq which was written where only Halliburton could get the contract.

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
12. Time out: Bankruptcy is a perfectly legal and intelligent decision for many people
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 12:45 PM
Jun 2014

As most people here on DU know many families before the ACA had what is called medical bankruptcy.
Even those who take bankruptcy for non-medical reasons are not all scumbags. Filing is an emotional decision for most people. It's no cake-walk either.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
17. It's the hypocrisy, not the bankruptcy that is being criticized.
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 01:29 PM
Jun 2014

She's Tea Party. She opposes ACA, opposes safety nets but bankruptcy is a safety net. She says the government is too intrusive but the government forgave a half million dollar debt from her.
I mean, really.

JoeyT

(6,785 posts)
15. Even the social safety nets we know we'll never need we support.
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 01:16 PM
Jun 2014

I guess they never grasped that seeking joy in the suffering of people that have never done you any harm personally is not only A but probably THE litmus test to see if someone is a terrible person.

Their blatant hypocrisy is just icing. It isn't what makes them awful, but it does change the flavor.

Stargazer09

(2,132 posts)
19. These are the same people
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 01:33 PM
Jun 2014

Who collect military retirement and/or VA disability, but will fight against anyone else getting the same.

Who collect social security benefits when their spouse gets disabled, but will vote to gut the SSA system.

Who are vocally "pro-life" until their precious daughter needs an abortion.

The list goes on, but as someone above stated, "I've got mine, screw you," is their mantra.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
20. This is a common theme with the RightiesŪ.
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 01:49 PM
Jun 2014

They go on and on about someone that doesn't deserve a handout.

As if they should be the final arbiter of fairness.

They are especially ill equipped to judge fairness because they have carnival mirror concept of fair play.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
22. + one zillion mega plusses.
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 01:54 PM
Jun 2014
This is the difference between the Tea Party and the liberals. The Tea Party and those on the right-wing want the social safety net there for themselves, but not for anyone else. Liberals likewise want it there for themselves as well, but they also realize that if it exists for them, it exists for others, too, and we’ve accepted that fact. We’ve moved beyond it, integrated it into who we are into our political identity. We’re okay with people we don’t know using it.

kairos12

(12,860 posts)
26. I hate these pull up the ladder behind them, grifter, hypocritical, my dog eats your dog,
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 02:24 PM
Jun 2014

chickenhawk, faux patriot, sacks of miserable crap.

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