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Jenny Beth Martin, Tea Party Patriots Founder, Collecting Half-Million Dollar Government Bailout
Posted by: Josh Kilburn
June 24, 2014
Theres a documented phenomena on the political right: theyll stand strong against something, say, government help, until they need it. Then, suddenly, its something that they deserve. And them alone, because theyll go right back to protesting it after they get it. A case in point is Jenny Beth Martin, the co-founder and head of the Tea Party Patriots, who recalled her bankruptcy to the Washington Post and wound up highlighting this sort of all for me, none for thee hypocrisy that is rife on the political right.
The Daily Kos, quoting from the Washington Post article,says that Martin and her husband wound up owing the IRS $500,000 after their company failed. Martin, described as a wellspring for that odd Tea Party message of anti-government self-reliance, ended up filing bankruptcy to avoid the $500,000 in back taxes. As the Washington Post reports:
Make no mistake: bankruptcy is a bailout, and thats still $500,000 that the American taxpayers will have to pick up. But thats okay. Its preferable to the other option, which seems so popular today: smugly and self-righteously watching as someone drowns because they made one single mistake, because they werent absolutely perfect, rather than throwing them a life-preserver and saving them.
Ive never said that there should be no safety net, she says. That decision was more difficult for him than the decision not to stay in our house. .?.?. We were scraping by.
This is the difference between the Tea Party and the liberals. The Tea Party and those on the right-wing want the social safety net there for themselves, but not for anyone else. Liberals likewise want it there for themselves as well, but they also realize that if it exists for them, it exists for others, too, and weve accepted that fact. Weve moved beyond it, integrated it into who we are into our political identity. Were okay with people we dont know using it.
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hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)Enrique
(27,461 posts)ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)Enrique
(27,461 posts)he said that for real.
IkeRepublican
(406 posts)Then he barfed it up.
TheBlackAdder
(28,189 posts)I've seen that post, and normally when someone makes the decision to declare bankruptcy, they are in the frame of mind to stiff as many people as they can--to completely get off scott free or close to it.
Were there private investors, landlords, employees, banks, suppliers, etc that got stiffed as well?
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Bankruptcy (or the act of stiffing people) is a bailout that could hurt many people, not just the US Treasury.
TeamPooka
(24,223 posts)gtar100
(4,192 posts)Through it, I got out of $1500 of credit debt, and the remaining $3000 on my car. In exchange I gave up said car, was able to continue paying child support and alimony, continue to pay off my student loan, and move into a $500 a month studio apartment close enough to work I could walk or ride the bus. I'm sure Wells Fargo and Target are doing just fine despite my having "stiffed" them. Uncle Sam hasn't missed a dime from me and no landlords (god bless their intermediary souls) or small businesses were part of the deal. But they easily could have been if I were a more active consumer.
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No doubt people abuse bankruptcy but don't be too quick with your disdain. There are real, sensible reasons it is a legal practice. There is good reason it's called "forgiveness". You might be someone who's never needed any of that. I don't know. I'd have to know you personally to know that, just like I'd have to know more about each individual or business that filed for bankruptcy to know whether or not it appears justified to me. But that's the role of the judge. They are better at that sort of thing than me.
I am glad you are doing better but bankruptcy for 4500 seems like a really extreme decision.
muntrv
(14,505 posts)packman
(16,296 posts)I thought bankruptcy sheltered you and called off the wolves so you could regroup. BUT the IRS can be put at bay from bankruptcy filing? This is news to me, I believed they could come after you regardless of the bankruptcy blanket.
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)some you liquidate, and some you regroup.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)Let's face it $500,000 is more money than many people will ever be able to pay back in a life time. At age 52 I have not even made $500,000 in wages in my whole life, much less be able to pay a debt that large. I'd have to work almost 15 years at my current job just to make that much money.
But also, why wouldn't a business owner pull the plug before the debt got that large?
I am thinking he must have had employees and thus on my paycheck of yesterday which says Fica - $81.64, med - $19.09, fed - $111.63, state - $41.40. And then the employer share of fica, another $100.73 would be owed to the IRS. But even that would require 1,597 paychecks making my salary to owe that much. That's 228 employees if he is paying taxes quarterly, but a company that big should be paying monthly, shouldn't it?
Interesting to me that at some point the employee will file taxes, and collect a refund, or get credit for, money which has not actually been paid.
That $500,000 may include a whole bunch of penalties too for late payments.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)received $44 million for pension replacement which had government backup after Romney took it over. Cheney's Halliburton received a no bid contract in Iraq which was written where only Halliburton could get the contract.
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)As most people here on DU know many families before the ACA had what is called medical bankruptcy.
Even those who take bankruptcy for non-medical reasons are not all scumbags. Filing is an emotional decision for most people. It's no cake-walk either.
TeamPooka
(24,223 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)She's Tea Party. She opposes ACA, opposes safety nets but bankruptcy is a safety net. She says the government is too intrusive but the government forgave a half million dollar debt from her.
I mean, really.
JoeyT
(6,785 posts)I guess they never grasped that seeking joy in the suffering of people that have never done you any harm personally is not only A but probably THE litmus test to see if someone is a terrible person.
Their blatant hypocrisy is just icing. It isn't what makes them awful, but it does change the flavor.
Stargazer09
(2,132 posts)Who collect military retirement and/or VA disability, but will fight against anyone else getting the same.
Who collect social security benefits when their spouse gets disabled, but will vote to gut the SSA system.
Who are vocally "pro-life" until their precious daughter needs an abortion.
The list goes on, but as someone above stated, "I've got mine, screw you," is their mantra.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)They go on and on about someone that doesn't deserve a handout.
As if they should be the final arbiter of fairness.
They are especially ill equipped to judge fairness because they have carnival mirror concept of fair play.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)hue
(4,949 posts)kairos12
(12,860 posts)chickenhawk, faux patriot, sacks of miserable crap.