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muriel_volestrangler

(101,311 posts)
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 05:47 AM Jun 2014

The Debacle of the Caliphates: Why al-Baghdadi’s Grandiosity doesn’t Matter

Ibrahim al-Badri, a run-of-the-mill Sunni Iraqi cleric, gained a degree from the University of Baghdad at a time when pedagogy there had collapsed because of the Saddam Hussein dictatorship and international sanctions. After 2003 he took the name Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi and turned to a vicious and psychopathic violence involving blowing up children at ice cream shops and blowing up gerbils and garden snakes at pet shops and blowing up family weddings, then coming back and blowing up the resultant funerals. This man is one of the most infamous serial killers in modern history, with the blood of thousands on his hands, before whom Jeffrey Dahmer and Ted Bundy fade into insignificance.

Al-Baghdadi leads the so-called Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS or ISIL), which today changed its name just to “the Islamic State.” And its members made a pledge of fealty to al-Baghdadi as the “caliph.” Let us please call it the “so-called Islamic State,” since it bears all the resemblance to mainstream Islam that Japan’s Om Shinrikyo (which let sarin gas into the subway in 1995) bears to Buddhism.
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After Ali’s assassination, the Umayyad kings ruled (661-750), and though some scholars have found that they claimed religious charisma, they were just Arab kings. A branch of the family of the Prophet tracing itself back to his uncle Abbas began making claims to rightful rule, however, and they were popular among the new converts from among the Persians in Iran, and in 750 they made a revolution against the Umayyads. They became the Abbasid caliphate, ruling until the Mongol conquest of Baghdad in 1258.
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Although subsequent sultans or secular emperors sometimes were termed “caliphs” in flowery style by their courtiers, I can’t find any evidence of anyone taking that sort of thing seriously. In the 18th century Ahmad al-Damanhuri, a rector of al-Azhar Seminary in Cairo, the foremost center of Sunni learning, wrote an essay in which he was frank that the caliphate ended in 1258, that the Mamluk ‘shadow caliphate’ hadn’t amounted to much, and that the Ottomans were kings, not caliphs. The Sunni caliphate had lapsed. He said, however, that some of the Ottomans were better and more just rulers, as secular monarchs, than some of the caliphs had been. I know of no reason to think that al-Damanhuri’s views weren’t the prevailing ones on the eve of Middle Eastern modernity. {Ahmad al-Damanhuri, al-Naf` al-ghazir fi salah al-Sultan wa al-wazir, Egyptian National Library, Taymur Ijtima`, MS 34, p. 10).

http://www.juancole.com/2014/06/caliphates-baghdadis-grandiosity.html


Cole goes on to point out the use of 'caliph' under the late Ottoman empire, but he says that basically Muslims haven't paid real attention to it as a position since 1258, and there's little interest in it being revived, apart from a few fundamentalists with violent delusions of grandeur.
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The Debacle of the Caliphates: Why al-Baghdadi’s Grandiosity doesn’t Matter (Original Post) muriel_volestrangler Jun 2014 OP
Ah, glad to see Cole's opinion about this posted. Thanks. cali Jun 2014 #1
Ah, glad to see Cole's opinion about this posted. Thanks. cali Jun 2014 #2
Very informative post malaise Jun 2014 #3
A caliph is essentially what you get if you cross a pope with a king. Kurska Jun 2014 #4
Important to keep this in mind as it will undoubtedly be marketed as a great threat to all. morningfog Jun 2014 #5
Has anyone seen al-Baghdadi in public? CJCRANE Jun 2014 #6

Kurska

(5,739 posts)
4. A caliph is essentially what you get if you cross a pope with a king.
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 07:42 AM
Jun 2014

The head of state and them head of a religion all rolled into one. He is indeed right when he says the Ottoman Sultans were not really viewed as the head of the Islamic faith during their existence.

I seriously doubt a very large number of Muslims view this guy as that.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
6. Has anyone seen al-Baghdadi in public?
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 08:00 AM
Jun 2014

Has he made any speeches?

The least they could is have a Caliphate debate before choosing the best candidate.

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