deal is and in Oklahoma they are probably stupid enough to agree with management.

This is the type of bullshit that gives progressives a bad name. You can't tell workers you're fighting for them, and then insult them. Elitist nonsense.

Wealth, academic background, IQ has nothing to do with the fact of life that Oklahoma produces chornically stupid voters. All the Republicans and Tea Partiers have to do is whip them up on a religious issue and they will vote on the conservative issue and be totally oblivious on everything else. I have watched it for the last 17 years. It is amazing how people consistently vote against their own self interests.

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Independent. And they are stupid. Did you know that the Democratic Party has more registered voters then the Republican Party? And it is the Republican Party that has a total stanglehold on this state. That tells you just how conservative this state is that the party with the most registered voters is literally a nonentity now. I have known some great Democrat politicians and they just can't past that conservative base to get anywhere.

meanwhile 5 highly educated assholes NOT from Oklahoma just fucked this country but hey blame Oklahoma.

Conservatives can whip up people on a religious issue and then run amok on everything else. It is slight of hand, look over here (while we rob you blind over there). This is why religion should not be allowed anywhere near government.

I was talking about the Supreme Court ruling with a good friend who is reasonably educated. She saw nothing wrong with the ruling.

I don't think that religion was really the issue in the court case. I think that is was just another Corporation using the excuse of religion to stick it to the White House. Corporations have no interest in anybody telling them how to run their business.

Pretend you are a Tea Party fool and you'll have no problems.

Hobby Lobby proudly executes against Women

This is a broken, very badly broken country

and in a way, it does "hurt the owners" because who do you thing will have to put all the stuff back on the shelves? The hourly worker who is paid by the owners.

of literature could be "left behind" (to use their term) on counters by then.

It's those workers who just got screwed over here, not the corporate owners.

God knows they're going to need the extra money to pay for their own contraceptives

It will just give them more work. I have little doubt that the Hobby Lobby corporates practice the same kind of management Walmart does. They'll make them do that extra work off the clock, where they won't be paid for it.

How can an hourly employee be forced to work off the clock?

I haven't heard that one before. I wouldn't put anything past Walmart, but how could they not get sued and/or nailed for breaking the law?

Retailers regularly violate overtime law. They use "comp time" to avoid >40 hour weeks, and they utterly ignore that >8 hours in one day is overtime.

Employees know they get fired if they complain. And the benefit of complaining isn't much - if they work an extra hour, turning that hour into time-and-a-half is not much money.

It really undermines one's faith in human nature.

Walmart does it all the time, from what I have read. I don't see how they get away with it, either. And, I understand they're not alone on that account.

Glad I've been boycotting Walmart ever since I first learned about them as a company.

But, I probably shop at places with similar tactics.

Modern corporate culture doesn't give us much choice, does it?

However, I think it still ends up a net positive.

I have little doubt that hobby lobby practices that type of management, same as you. But Im sure they do that regardless of whether the Op and others do things like they described, they still do exactly the type of forced off the clock work you describe. If you assume that they are already forced into extra work, theres not really more to be wrung out of them, which means more work takes more people.

This is the same reason that I always go to a checker rather than use a Ucheck. Until we straighten out our society to account for the fact that there is far less work that needs done than hours available by workers, people need those unnecessary jobs like individual checkers to make due.

Every so often someone suggests a similar campaign of pettiness against Walmart, as if the scions of Sam will suffer because of a full cart left in the automotive section.

It amounts to little more than a preposterous and futile tantrum that will inconvenience no one except a few minimum wage employees who are overworked already.

HL pays quite well (for retail workers) and supposedly has a pro-employee philosophy. Can't swear to that though.
http://www.demos.org/blog/hobby-lobby-boosts-minimum-hourly-wage-14

And if they fail to meet those goals because someone threw a tantrum and filled a cart, then too bad for the overworked employee.

All it does is punish the employees, not the owners.

You have a pretty low standard for "courage".

All it does it punish the people who you are angry are now being denied a right.

What sense does that make?

That may be just a little over the top.

Harvey Milk was courageous.

MLK was courageous.

This is petty. And lame. And will do nothing to strike back at the folks who don't care about the needs of women. I'll give you a hint as to who they are: they aren't the ones re-stocking the shelves at the store.

You could set up a schedule for different people to have his/her turn to "shop" in Hobby Lobby.

it's just going to be popular with the religious nutcases.

the religious nutcases ARE the majority.

I was typing out a reply that said this sort of behavior punishes the victims....but does it?

.........

I'm no longer sure.....

(not to mention everyone else too) and your solution is to fuck them over some more?

Good plan.

Pray they don't get Scalia to rule against the oxygen mandate.

Why not just kick the workers as long as they're down?

Red paint balls out of our vaginas as we walk through the store with nonchalance?

You're right. It is childish. It also accomplishes nothing.

But at this point, I don't care

Nice lesson for your kid.

This isn't about you, it isn't a game. This ruling hurts working families and you want to make it about you? Think about why you're upset in the first place before you go making things worse for the people progressives are suppose to be fighting for.

because you're having a childish temper tantrum?
How progressive of you.
If I were an employee of Hobby Lobby and you did that to me, I would be looking to kick some ass.

Register people to vote. take them to the polls, write letters to the editor or like someone else said hand out fliers. Let Hobby Lobby know how upset you are.

Everyone should do this! Lay bare the shelves of the stores and leave them in carts in the store, every day, until it becomes so expensive to restock that Hobby Lobby recants.

Hope their sales plummet. I'm a lifelong Dem. but really only began crafting a few years ago when I retired. I hope there are lots of liberals that are doing crafting from a much younger age and will also boycott HB. I've only stopped in their store twice, and all I bought was some artificial flowers that were on sale 75% off. Teh second time I didn't buy anything. Their prices aren't great and neither is their merchandise. I don't see any reason anyone would shop there unless there is no other crat shop in their area, and even then, shopping online is not only easier, but cheaper too. If you sign up with the many craft sites, they will send you emails with the specials and many times free shipping too.

...and at this rate, I don't think I ever will again. There are other hobby stores with better stuff to shop at, anyway.

GOTV, GOTV, GOTV, GOTV, oh, and in case I didn't mention it, GOTV.

And a very bad lesson for your daughter. But you are clearly aware of that. Could be a teaching lesson for her under the right supervision.

Doesn't seem to be very effective activism.

who are also the ones most hurt by the SCOTUS decision.

Surely you could find a better way to make your feelings known.

or wherever the public can see them.
This exposure is seriously needed since the public probably does not even know this about Hobby Lobby.
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The owners of Hobby Lobby do not appear to have any problem with profiting from the companies that manufacture the very products that so grievously offend their religious principles.

The following is a summation of the companies manufacturing these products that are held by the Hobby Lobby employee retirement plan, as set forth by Ms. Redden’s remarkable reporting:

These companies include Teva Pharmaceutical Industries, which makes Plan B and ParaGard, a copper IUD, and Actavis ACT +0.39%, which makes a generic version of Plan B and distributes Ella. Other holdings in the mutual funds selected by Hobby Lobby include Pfizer PFE +0.2%, the maker of Cytotec and Prostin E2, which are used to induce abortions; Bayer , which manufactures the hormonal IUDs Skyla and Mirena; AstraZeneca AZN +0.53%, which has an Indian subsidiary that manufactures Prostodin, Cerviprime, and Partocin, three drugs commonly used in abortions; and Forest Laboratories, which makes Cervidil, a drug used to induce abortions. Several funds in the Hobby Lobby retirement plan also invested in Aetna AET -0.37% and Humana, two health insurance companies that cover surgical abortions, abortion drugs, and emergency contraception in many of the health care policies they sell.
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Get creative. This should be done at every HL across the Country.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2014/04/01/hobby-lobby-401k-discovered-to-be-investor-in-numerous-abortion-and-contraception-products-while-claiming-religious-objection/

coming out of their orifices.

Their manager may not give a flying fuck if they have to do extra work. If they don't get all their work done on time, they get penalized or fired. I used to work in retail, I know how it is. Even IF they get all that extra work done on top of their usual workload, you've now penalized some low level grunts making minimum wage or barely above it.

I understand the outrage, but direct the outrage through boycotts and letters to the CEO. Don't penalize the low level employees, who probably need the job.

Plain and simple.

I can't believe you would take these actions, have some respect for others.

Try it, it's nice.

If you aren't happy with a companies decision there are tons of things you can do but essentially messing with the lowest people on the totem pole should not be one of them.

It IS trolling. Hadn't considered it that way. Thanks!

From going into the store. Bring more friends with you. Tell them where the other hobby stores are that need their business.

The only one you are hurting there is some minimum wage worker.

Who just got slapped by the SC today. Why add salt? Just express your displeasure with the ruling and tell the workers that this is not the end. We have more fight!

We need to put them out of business.

Another idea would be to stand outside and hand out condoms or place condoms strategically around the store.

I also considered taking some cheap .99 cent posters in and having them "framed", then just never picking them up.

I have registered voters, walked neighborhoods, drove people to the polls, etc for the last 7 elections in my very red state. If I want to do something childish and petty to make myself feel better and to possibly get some overtime for their workers, then so be it.

total the cost, and mail this 'receipt' to LH headquarters after posting it on social media.

Your "direct action" won't bother HL owners at all. It will be one of those just-above-minimum-wage workers restocking all those items. I remember what a pain in the ass it was to restock a full cart left by someone who really did forget their wallet.

Pissed at Hobby Lobby? Send your message directly to the top and refrain from using rank and file workers as unwitting props in your protest.

We can then go to Mcdonalds and slash the fry cooks tires.


That will teach those fat cat CEOs!

Gotta make those Waltons feel pain!

I think we're all weary of not being able to demonstrate our anger and frustration. We are pepper-sprayed (unless armed), and otherwise cordoned off (buffer zones)!when we protest. The media has marginalized us and worse since GWB.

Only money and corporations have a voice now.

Dont know if thats every store or not though

I won't do that. In retrospect, it does sound like a childish thing to do. But let's all remember the words of these great Americans.....

D-Day: War’s over, man. Wormer dropped the big one.
Bluto: Over? Did you say “over”? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
Otter: Germans?
Boon: Forget it, he’s rolling.
Bluto: And it ain’t over now. ‘Cause when the goin’ gets tough…
[thinks hard]
Bluto: the tough get goin’! Who’s with me? Let’s go!
[runs out, alone; then returns]
Bluto: What the fuck happened to the Delta I used to know? Where’s the spirit? Where’s the guts, huh? This could be the greatest night of our lives, but you’re gonna let it be the worst. “Ooh, we’re afraid to go with you Bluto, we might get in trouble.” Well just kiss my ass from now on! Not me! I’m not gonna take this. Wormer, he’s a dead man! Marmalard, dead! Niedermeyer…
Otter: Dead! Bluto’s right. Psychotic, but absolutely right. We gotta take these bastards. Now we could do it with conventional weapons that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody’s part.
Bluto: We’re just the guys to do it.
D-Day: Let’s do it.
Bluto: Let’s do it!

It is very easy for me to see a bottom level employee restocking a cart full of merchandise with a smile on her face knowing someone cares about her health care and family planning.

contraception. It'll do nothing to the evil corporate overloads. It's best to create a boycott and let the corporate beasts know why.

Sorry about that...

Why not just go on Sunday and question everyone why the store is open?

<wink>

go back to CC

could you put on some tea-bag garb . . . at least let them take the blame for this childish act

and they will have to personally put everything back on the shelf.

That will hurt their PROFITS, and Consumers have ever right to choose which business they patronize. Consumers can put these "religious companies" OUT OF BUSINESS, and have every right to do so. Live by your religion. DIE by your religion.

Actually, I don't believe I've ever even seen one. I do know they are building one in Menomonee Falls Wi pretty near my home. Considering the make-up of MF and Waukesha County in general, it will probably do very well, unfortunately.

I agree this isn't the right thing to do, and I have relented (thanks to all for gently reminding me that we as progressives and liberals are better than that), but it's so frustrating when I've spent 26 years as a single dad of 2 girls telling them that they are entitled to feel equal, safe and not to accept being treated like less.

you're not fooling anyone here.

pointless work.

I like how you think.

You do realize it's those workers who lost in this decision right?

Much better to flood corporate HQ with contraceptives, or expose hypocrisy by picketing them.

I think pointing out all the chinese junk is best because it corners 'uber-patriotic' Christians into deciding between their patriotism and their anti-choice positions.

because it's vandalism pure and simple.

Grow the fuck up.

not the 'religious' owners of the corporation. Find another way.

or leave them in convenient places.

if they DO have any competitors.

going to HL and when it comes time to check out tell them that your Christian religion requires diligence in making sure that other Christians are tithing, so you are going to with hold 10% of the sales amount and you will tithe for them.
or,

you beat the store manager if he is wearing two types of cloth at the same time. Leviticus 19:19

or ask someone at HL there who wears glasses, if they go to church, them remind them that they are forbidden to go to church because they wear glasses - Lev 21:20 states that you may not approach the altar of God if you have a defect in my sight.

or ask any of the women there if they are on the periods, for Lev 15:19-24 forbids contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness.

or if there is a young girl there ask how much her father wants for her, as you need a slave, as sanctioned in Exodus 21 ---

if any male there has a short hair, then that is expressly forbidden by Lev 19:27 and you may beat them.
and here are 76 things forbidden in Leviticus - have fun---

1. Burning any yeast or honey in offerings to God (2:11)
2. Failing to include salt in offerings to God (2:13)
3. Eating fat (3:17)
4. Eating blood (3:17)
5. Failing to testify against any wrongdoing you’ve witnessed (5:1)
6. Failing to testify against any wrongdoing you’ve been told about (5:1)
7. Touching an unclean animal (5:2)
8. Carelessly making an oath (5:4)
9. Deceiving a neighbor about something trusted to them (6:2)
10. Finding lost property and lying about it (6:3)
11. Bringing unauthorized fire before God (10:1)
12. Letting your hair become unkempt (10:6)
13. Tearing your clothes (10:6)
14. Drinking alcohol in holy places (10)
15. Eating an animal which doesn’t both chew cud and has a divided hoof (cf: camel, rabbit, pig) (11:4-7)
16. Touching the carcass of any of the above (11:8)
17. Eating – or touching the carcass of – any seafood without fins or scales (11:10-12)
18. Eating – or touching the carcass of - eagle, the vulture, the black vulture, the red kite, any kind of black kite, any kind of raven, the horned owl, the screech owl, the gull, any kind of hawk, the little owl, the cormorant, the great owl, the white owl, the desert owl, the osprey, the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe and the bat. (11:13-19)
19. Eating – or touching the carcass of – flying insects with four legs, unless those legs are jointed (11:20-22)
20. Eating any animal which walks on all four and has paws (good news for cats) (11:27)
21. Eating – or touching the carcass of – the weasel, the rat, any kind of great lizard, the gecko, the monitor lizard, the wall lizard, the skink and the chameleon (11:29)
22. Eating – or touching the carcass of – any creature which crawls on many legs, or its belly (11:41-42)
23. Going to church within 33 days after giving birth to a boy (12:4)
24. Going to church within 66 days after giving birth to a girl (12:5)
25. Having sex with your mother (18)
26. Having sex with your father’s wife (18:8)
27. Having sex with your sister (18)
28. Having sex with your granddaughter (18:10)
29. Having sex with your half-sister (18:11)
30. Having sex with your biological aunt (18:12-13)
31. Having sex with your uncle’s wife (18:14)
32. Having sex with your daughter-in-law (18:15)
33. Having sex with your sister-in-law (18:16)
34. Having sex with a woman and also having sex with her daughter or granddaughter (18:17)
35. Marrying your wife’s sister while your wife still lives (18:18)
36. Having sex with a woman during her period (18:19)
37. Having sex with your neighbor’s wife (18:20)
38. Giving your children to be sacrificed to Molek (18:21)
39. Having sex with a man “as one does with a woman” (18:22)
40. Having sex with an animal (18:23)
41. Making idols or “metal gods” (19:4)
42. Reaping to the very edges of a field (19)
43. Picking up grapes that have fallen in your vineyard (19:10)
44. Stealing (19:11)
45. Lying (19:11)
46. Swearing falsely on God’s name (19:12)
47. Defrauding your neighbor (19:13)
48. Holding back the wages of an employee overnight (19:13)
49. Cursing the deaf or abusing the blind (19:14)
50. Perverting justice, showing partiality to either the poor or the rich (19:15)
51. Spreading slander (19:16)
52. Doing anything to endanger a neighbor’s life (19:16)
53. Seeking revenge or bearing a grudge (19:18)
54. Mixing fabrics in clothing (19:19)
55. Cross-breeding animals (19:19)
56. Planting different seeds in the same field (19:19)
57. Sleeping with another man’s slave (19:20)
58. Eating fruit from a tree within four years of planting it (19:23)
59. Practising divination or seeking omens (tut, tut astrology) (19:26)
60. Trimming your beard (19:27)
61. Cutting your hair at the sides (19:27)
62. Getting tattoos (19:28)
63. Making your daughter prostitute herself (19:29)
64. Turning to mediums or spiritualists (19:31)
65. Not standing in the presence of the elderly (19:32)
66. Mistreating foreigners – “the foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born” (19:33-34)
67. Using dishonest weights and scales (19:35-36)
68. Cursing your father or mother (punishable by death) (20)
69. Marrying a prostitute, divorcee or widow if you are a priest (21,13)
70. Entering a place where there’s a dead body as a priest (21:11)
71. Slaughtering a cow/sheep and its young on the same day (22:28)
72. Working on the Sabbath (23:3)
73. Blasphemy (punishable by stoning to death) (24:14)
74. Inflicting an injury; killing someone else’s animal; killing a person must be punished in kind (24:17-22)
75. Selling land permanently (25:23)
76. Selling an Israelite as a slave (foreigners are fine) (25:42)

I hope you don't actually do that. Just don't shop there, there's no need to shit on their workers.

Exactly.

...several times a day, at every store location.

and you will have made a point, or just mentioning this made a point