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I have to see the field of candidates before I can make decision. Anything can happen. In 2006 Obama was still the guy who gave a great speech at the 2004 convention.

The debates will make my mind up, not any post anywhere. I like Hillary, and i like E-Dub. I like O'malley a bit too, and i wish Howard Dean would scream for us a bit. It got me excited.

Historical legislation and patterns tell us a great deal - but so do the debates!

No one has yet announced. I expect that quite a few will eventually declare their intentions, but AFTER the November election. In 2006, Obama was my senator but I had no idea that he would run at that point.

i want to vote for a good candidate, not a woman candidate. There is a GIANT difference and I am hoping againt a forlorn hope that the candidate is Elizabeth Warren.

This dude likes the drama. Last night he said we shouldn't be so pissed at the hobby lobby decision. We should believe in the Supreme court and respect the ruling or something.

I just want to have a kick ass primary with options to chooses from. If Ew got the nomination, i'd happily vote for her. Clinton too.

I'll vote to HRC if/when she gets the nomination. Not sure how the HL decision means Clinton has to be our candidate, plenty of other Democrats have excellent voting records with regards to Healthcare and Women's issues. If they primary was held today, I'd vote for Martin O'Malley.

But let me take it a step further - can we get fired up for the midterms first?

Maybe I should rethink my position.

and people have scolded me because the avatar I use and don't understand how I can support Hillary Clinton (I am not a one issue voter). I would argue that her work as Secretary of State showed she had a level of diplomacy that elevated the the United States to a respectable status given the damage done by the previous Bush administration. Skeptical when Obama selected Hillary Clinton to be SoS but now I understand his reasoning as she dd a lot of good work.

I resent the fact that you're now using the Hobby Lobby case as a platform to push your candidate of choice. IMHO it's disingenuous and below tacky. Yesterday it was a thread admonishing DUers about their faith in the Justice system, now this. And there's that word "hysteria" again, followed by "irrational". Oh yeah.

Y'know, my partner and I were inclined to vote for Hillary though we would also be most pleased to vote for Elizabeth Warren. But the more you post, the more you're losing our vote with such cheap tactics. Think about it.

and a dismissal of concerns about the HL decision. It's not really about Hillary at all.

Nah, couldn't be.

Then I'll be attending a Tea Party symposium on civil public discourse.

I just don't have any free time to listen to a supporter of Hobby Lobby and the Republican Supreme Court lecture me about which centrist I should vote for in order to counter the ruling that you support in the first place.

An untrained eye may not notice the subtlety of your comment, but i think you held back remarkably and should be commended for your tactful approach. A reward is deserved for your restraint.

Yup. Are we playing "no context" again? Duers are on to this BS.

Well said. This poster is pathetically transparent. Can't we tombstone her already?

Nice dismissal of legitimate concerns.

Didn't you get enough of an ass-kicking in your last thread that tried to downplay the HL decision?

...and I'll vote for the Democratic nominee in the general election, whoever that might be.

Now they have to cloak it in a "vote for Hillary" non-sequitur. Looks like they can't bear having an unpopular view on DU, so they have to call everyone else 'hysterical'.

To the end.

"I'm outraged, and you better be too, damn it!" -

Jeb Bush is going to sneak up on us all. As a Floridian, I know Jeb Bush very well and he is very sane candidate compared to what the GOP normally throws out there.

You need the absolute best to beat Jeb Bush and that I believe in Hillary Clinton in my opinion.

Thats why I trashed thread titles with the following keywords: NSA, Snowden, Greenwald

I'm bored with the outrage so I made it go away.

like when it seems the word "rape" is in every other OP headline, or what I call the "adorable Obama pics" threads. I simply don't have any interest.

Your time will be better focused here.

Most people will I think. But Clinton has to go through a primary first; and in the primary I will make up my mind who to support among the candidates, and it's entirely possible I'll vote for someone who is not quite so pro-Wall Street.

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that Hillary's ongoing strongest record of work has been in women's rights, both domestically and across the world.

That being said, I suspect she's not the only possible Dem who would also work to undo the travesty of the Hobby Lobby decision.

stopped reading right there

I'm not sure what she would bring that Warren or another candidate could not bring. I think, as far as Progressive politics is concerned, the Democratic party has a fairly deep bench; all of whom, I would suggest, would take exception to the HL ruling.

It can't be her gender acting as a safeguard to providing BC because the BC mandate was enacted by a male president.

This is not to poo-poo a Hillary candidacy. I'm not understanding the premise of the OP.

Elizabeth Warren also possesses an X-pair. And she is unencumbered by the fact her husband having signed the RFRA into law. My question to the OP is: Why Hillary over Warren or another female candidate? But, again, the mandate the OP would defend was put forward by a male president.

Reviewing the thread I see I am not the only one at a loss to understand the OP.

So Warren must support Clinton!!!!!!!

And breaking through the sarcasm for a minute, yeah the OP makes no sense. Clinton isn't the next logical step, the next logical step is 2014, and then the Democratic primary for 2016, and then the general for 2016.

I really don't get the dumbasses pushing inevitability for Clinton - she lost. Blows up their entire strategy. If this is what Clinton is going to run on again, we desperately need another candidate.

If Clinton is the nominee, OK; but if not then those who speak of her inevitability have done the Democratic party a disservice. And that's not just about Hillary. ANY candidate who has such an air of inevitability, if they fail to secure the nomination, will hurt the party as the opposition gets to mock the "back-benchers" who ended-up prevailing.

In that same vein, those who oppose The Inevitable One (and, again, my comments are not about Hillary specifically but strategy in general) may damage that candidate if they move on to the general. The opposition will seize on every contentious word and replay it again and again and again.

I believe the true way forward is a spirited but civil debate. That alone demonstrates a good case for being entrusted with the keys to government. We should govern ourselves with the same spirit of community and respect we would want to see in society as a whole.

from the court house to the US House? Please?

We do not know if Clinton is running. We do not know who else is running.
Back in 2008 in my listing Obama and Clinton were my #5 and #6 picks behind Edwards, Richardson and I can't remember who else. Both were way to cozy with the corporations. Yet when Obama became the nominee I supported him 100%.

Clinton is still way too cozy with the corporations for my taste. Yet I will support her if she is the nominee.

But like many on here I would much prefer an Elizabeth Warren candidacy. She is also quite aware of the Hobby Lobby ramifications and I believe would not be too worried about hurting their feelings on anything.

There may be other candidates who will outshine Hillary. I think any serious candidate for the democratic nomination understands that this will be a major issue and understands how women feel.

You should stop.

"If it's a choice between a genuine Republican, and a Republican in Democratic clothing, the people will choose the genuine article, every time; that is, they will take a Republican before they will a phony Democrat, and I don't want any phony Democratic candidates in this campaign."

The next logical step is to fight like hell for 2014.

The logical next step after that is to throw your support behind the Democratic nominee, whomever that is.

If it's Clinton, so be it. If it's someone else, so be it.

Vote like an idealist in the primaries. Vote like a pragmatist in the general election.

get the nomination.)

I think she'll make an excellent President.

Of course, there are people who think she's too cozy with business. And there will always be the "The President owes me rainbows and unicorns!" types.

I think she is astoundingly qualified for office. And I would vote for her without a qualm.

To those that are angry at Hobby Lobby
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Get a life already!

productive by re-directing their energy towards a candidate that has a shot of winning the Presidency (Clinton). Jeb Bush should not be underestimated IMVHO.

are getting active over the ruling. You just seem mad that people are mad about the SCOTUS ruling, which is strange imo.

What then specifically leads you to believe those who are frustrated by the ruling are doing nothing else/nothing productive...?

Guesswork? A gut feeling? Pretense?

A: Support Hillary Clinton.

Women need to vote in the local and state elections, this is where it all starts. All the anti-abortion road block laws are coming from the republican controlled state legislatures. Women you have to vote the primaries to weed out the chaff, then stay with all the elections from the lowest to the highest level. This is for your and for your daughters. Please get in involved, if you are not registered to vote, do so right away so you can vote in November. Get in informed on what is going in your area. The religious right and the Koch brothers are now turning to state and local elections to get more of their chosen few elected. Ladies, it is time to rise up and fight back!

because she is the best candidate for the job? Sorry I will wait to see who all will be running, their positions and pick the one who is best for the country.

The next logical step is NOT to get behind a neo-liberal.

Eleventyfuckwhatever. That makes as much sense as your post.

He's doing it on purpose. He had no problem with the SC decision last night.

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Make sure you and all your liberal-leaning friends, relatives and acquaintances are registered to vote, know where your polling places are, and get out and cast a ballot in the Fall election. If we let Congress drift even further to the right - which is what they're counting on with their voter surpression attempt - 2016 won't make a difference.

Listen, read, and think about what people here have to say rather than telling us what you think we should do.