also coincidentally helps them save a few million on insurance costs?

A "normal" pregnancy costs about $30,000. Complications quickly make that much more expensive - ending that "normal" pregnancy with a c-section adds $20,000.

Birth control is much, much, much, much cheaper. Which is why insurance companies are happy to cover it, and didn't object much to the ACA's requirement that they cover it.

So if they really stop covering birth control, I'd expect their insurance costs to go up.

Wonder what would happen if there was a clause in the ACA that allowed them to drop birth control coverage for a hefty premium that would cover the extra expenses of pregnancy?

Is a deeply held religious belief. The primary philosophy of which is GREED.

I've been pissed off for the past three days.

This ruling was nothing more than enshrining gross ignorance as the law. No matter what fucking moronic opinion you may have, it has the force of law as long as you say it while waving a Bible.

And now? It was just a dodge, and a pack of gibbering idiots are high-fiving each other, without the least idea of what they've just done.

I'm sure their going home this holiday break to stack up the firewood for the witch trials they bring back with their next decision.

It costs about $30,000 without insurance to have a baby.

Every Hobby Lobby employee or dependent that turns up pregnant, Hobby Lobby pays a $30,000 fine.

Provide insurance to their employees....take that and buy pills for their employees....problem solved creatively

absolutely nothing about China and the forced abortions there and the mandatory birth control there and their business interests with China. Very Hypocritical!! But then, I believe we should love people.

How are you guys doing in the weather? I hope all is well with you and yours and your green babies

All of the babies are safe and comfy!

You can see them smiling .

Glad to hear all of you and yours are okay

Obama takes Alito at his word and has the government pay for birth control for all companies' employees affected by this ruling. He has it on paper from Alito that he can do it. See how they'll like their fucking ruling then.

David and Barbara Green only have 3 children. So. . . how did they avoid being The Duggers? I think it could be . . . . BIRTH CONTROL? Or else they decided after 3 kids they wouldn't do no moe' sexin'. Something tells me these x-tians go by two standards. One for themselves and quite another for their employees and all the rest of us.

"they were shocked (shocked, we tells ya) to learn that their insurance coverage includes birth control which they, being fucking morons, think is no different than an abortion. And so the Green family dropped the coverage and sued the government."

almost everyone is missing the fact that their insurance DOES cover most types of birth control. SO, we need to be sure we rag on them with the correct info or the little slip ups will be used against our argument.

Just like the Tea Partyers, who woke up on 01/20/09 and realized America had a debt problem.

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Just call me Damon, my real first name. I hope I haven't been rude in my profile, just listing the first letter of my surname.

Which is the closest Canada gets to Texas

my eye. These hypocrites worship Mammon and give that other guy lip service only.

They have had a Christian bookstore forever. www .mardel dot com ( don't want to link )
About:
mardel dot /about/

Mardel Christian & Education is a faith-based company dedicated to renewing minds and transforming lives through the products we sell and the ministries we support. To this end, we provide a large selection of Bibles, books, movies, gifts, music, kid products, apparel, church and educational supplies, and homeschool curriculum.

We offer quality products at the best prices on Mardel.com and across our 35 stores located in the central region of the United States. Our products share truth, teach knowledge, offer encouragement, inspire worship, and bring joy – fulfilling the vision of Mardel to make a difference and give hope.

Furthering our mission, we faithfully give 10% of our net profits to help print Bibles translated by Wycliffe Bible Translators. Wycliffe Bible Translators is a ministry dedicated to translating the Bible into the language of every people group around the World.

We are a resource center equipping the whole person – specializing in the provision of all your spiritual and intellectual needs.


History of Mardel

In 1981, Mart Green, CEO, stepped out of his family’s business, Hobby Lobby, to pursue his own dream in the Christian and office supply retail market by opening the first Mardel retail store in northwest Oklahoma City. The store was small in size, approximately 7,200 square feet, but carried a large variety of products, including Bibles, books, office supplies, church supplies, music, and gifts.

From that point on, Mart’s vision and leadership brought about the expansion of product selection and retail stores—now 35 stores total—into several states, including Oklahoma, Texas, Arkansas, Missouri, Kansas, Colorado and Louisiana. Stores now average approximately 25,000 square feet with additional product selections in movies, kid products, apparel, educational supplies, and homeschool curriculum.

Mardel’s corporate location is headquartered with Hobby Lobby’s complex in Oklahoma City and Mardel has more than 800 employees.

"faith-based."

Really grinds on me.


Cher

Their 401k plans and their own investments include companies that make birth control methods including Plan B.

Over 40% of the merchandise they sell is manufactured in China, who has state sponsored abortions.

They are the worst kind of Christians.

Their commandment....Do as we say, not as we do.

is made in China?

are approaching others to sue for other things they don't like. Any Birth control issues, women issues, abortion issues, gun issues, gay issues....and on and on.

We need you, we need everyone in this fight.

Just a suggestion, maybe someone can start making a list of all the other suits against the ACA and do some poking around about how they got started. I think something like this should have been out in the public long before the suit made it to SCOTUS.

The Mennonite co. that joined fellow woman-haters in the Hobby Lobby case, got paid $25000 by the Heritage Foundation just for being part of the lawsuit. I live in a part of PA with lots of Mennonites and I never knew they were especially opposed to contraception.

That's interesting info.

I searched it, 'cuz I wanted to know more about it and here's the thread it was originally posted on:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025179376

Sickening. We are so being played.

Every bone in my body screams "wrong, wrong, wrong."



Cher

Bill Clinton was impeached over lying to the government and Martha Stuart went to jail over giving false statements, so why not Hobby Lobby? This is criminal and needs to be prosecuted!!!!!

Wish I could say I was surprised.
Also, wish I thought the media would report this as much as it deserves.

And of course the Supreme Court knew that. Just another loophole for corporations to jump through so they don't have to pay for coverage for ABC or XYZ or 123, etc., etc. It's ALWAYS about the money. More profit for them, less for us that we need to live. And all branches of government are complicit. They'll all get huge barrels of money for all the stock they bought up in preparation for this ruling. SCOTUS has been in the pocket of big business for more decades than I've probably been alive (which is longer than I care to admit).

Businesses have been chomping at the bit to separate health care from employment. And thanks to certain laws it will happen... but the employees will not get one red cent back from employers in paychecks in order to pay for health care on our own (salaries are greatly reduced because of employers providing health insurance to employees), and as a result we get screwed to the wall, and their savings adds up to a shit pot of profit.