This morning I was so afraid of forgetting my dog in the car because I was taking her to play at doggie daycare, that I drove a completely different route than the one I take to work (though the same route does fine most of the way).

I don't have kids, but I know I'm scared of the heat in my car when traveling with my dog. I would be crazy with guilt if I left her in the car, this guy is just.....words fail me, this was his innocent baby.

... but I just didn't see it.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/29/justice/georgia-toddler-death/

The Day Care was on-site, at his office. That's huge from the standpoint of routine.

He and his wife researched infant hot car deaths before it happened.

He went to the car at lunch and put something in it.

Unimaginable.

And my wife said a 22 month old in a rear facing car seat really doesn't seem right either. This one is really bothering me.

I knew this guy was guilty.

God, this makes me sick.

This wasn't a Home Depot store. It's the corporate offices. He worked in IT in the corporate office which has a daycare in another building.

WTF?

Taking his child to Chick-fil-a for breakfast, buckling him into his car seat and driving straight to work which was less than a mile away, going out to his car and putting something in it during his lunch break, driving with his dead for hours child in the car for about 10 minutes before he "realized" that his child was in the car even though the inside of the car was reeking, telling the police that he pulled over because his obviously dead child was choking, etc., etc.

I think he believed that he was just going to be believed with his histrionic acting, the police would console him and he'd be good to go without LE checking out anything. It is interesting though that he did a search on the internet of how to survive in prison...among other things.

It hadn't occurred to me that the mother might have been complicit.

What a horrible story.

I don't know though. It's hard to imagine one parent wanting to kill their baby, but both? How does a conversation like that even start? "Hey honey, what'd ya say we kill the kid... oh, and can you pass me the salt?"


I'm hoping she's just in deep denial.

Incredibly sad, and pretty sick, any way you slice it. Forgive me, but this case seems like an example of the importance of birth control.

Everyone that knew them said that they had difficulty conceiving. Birth control or unplanned pregnancies don't enter into it, and being an "oops" myself, parents often don't plan pregnancies but it doesn't mean the child isn't loved, and they certainly don't consider murdering them.

This is about a savage that planned with his wife to have a child, decided he didn't want him anymore and tortured him to death to be rid of him.

They really must be sociopathic if they could "change their minds" so dramatically.

Amazing that there was someone on an earlier thread who continued to try to find excuses for this pathetic example of a sociopath

A stupid sociopath for a change

I really honestly think though that he believed his really crappy acting skills would get him out of it, and that would be the end of it.

The sexting while he knows his child is dying a horrible tortuous death just floors me.

after all this is something we hear about every year.

i don't know how much they check computers and other things in the other cases. but based on the cop in this case he was able to notice things that were questionable from the start.

Whereas the smart ones tend to rise quite high in the political and/or business ranks. Scary thought.

..."Usually, he would take his son to an on-site day care. But that day, police said, Harris left him in the car seat."

But it IS CNN. So who knows!

I had not heard about the sexting and the "Child Free" research. Wow.

3:17 p.m.: Detective: Six weeks ago they bought forward-facing child seat. Few weeks went back to using rear-facing car seat.


I suspect that when they started coming up with the plan they realized you could not pull it off with a front facing seat.

the size and weight of the child not his/her age. At his age he still might have been too small for a front facing car seat.

I still don't know what the benefit is to a rear facing car seat though. And I can't imagine how it would be attached. I don't like the idea of them. It seems just way too dangerous to me for the person/people up front to not be able to see what the child is doing in the car seat.

the police has been all over this fuckwit.

In the event of a frontal crash, rear-facing child car seats distribute the forces of impact across a child's back, shoulders, neck and head. The momentum of the child's body, of course, continues in the direction the car was traveling at the time of the crash, for a second or two after impact. In a forward-facing seat, that means the child's head will snap forward, and all of the momentum of the child's body will push against the restraints holding the child in the seat, thus making the restraints themselves a source of injury. And in the event those restraints fail, the child can be launched forward like a projectile towards, and sometimes through, the windshield. In a rear-facing car set, the momentum of the child's body is absorbed by the entire seat, significantly reducing the likelihood of serious injuries.

See http://www.car-safety.org/rearface.html

I kept 2 of my 4 children rear facing until over 2 years old because they were very small and petite (under 25th percentile), with large heads in proportion to their body. The other 2 children were very large, tall (over 100th percentile for weight and height) and sturdy for their age, but I still didn't turn them forward facing until over 20 months. I bought car seats that were approved for rear facing to 35 lbs so they could stay in them longer and thus remain safer.

Anyway - the child being rear facing shouldn't be suspicious - unless he WAS forward facing and the parents turned him around not too long before he died but even that could be explained by the mom learning about how much safer rear facing is. With my first child I was almost ready to turn her forward facing when I started reading more about it and then kept her rear facing for another year. If I would've read about it shortly after turning her forward facing there is a chance I would've turned her back to rear facing knowing the risks, especially with her small frame (she was over the height restriction for rear facing but not the weight limit - we had to buy a new seat).

I think other aspects of this case are more important than the rear/forward facing issue.

Back when Her Highness was in a rear-facing seat, I had a kiddie mirror on the back windshield. I could see her in my rearview mirror and she could see me.

that you have to have a mirror rigged up or a video feed or something so that you can see what the child is doing.

"Her Highness"... hahahaha! That's cute.

I call my dog "Your Royal Fluffiness" or "Your Beastie Majesty"... and about a couple of dozen other silly nicknames.

since they really don't have muscle control. A 22 month
should be too long for rear facing. I figure he just didn't
want to see the child's face in the rear view mirror, or when
he turned his head.

He was in a rear facing car seat between the two front seats apparently. I'm having a hard time imagining what that would look like, but couldn't he have seen him? Wouldn't he have been right up close to him?

So I'm surprised they actually cared enough to still be rear- facing him. We have an 18 month old boy and still rear-face. The American academy of pediatrics recommend rear-facing for as long as possible. Some people rear face until the age of four if possible. It's much safer. However, it's a big pain to not be able to turn around and see your child. By law it's legal to turn the car seat at one year but most parent I know keep them rear- facing because of the possibility of internal decapitation in head on collisions.

I'm new here but wanted to throw that out there since someone had questioned it.

I can't imagine what this sweet boy went thru. Every time I see his face I see my own baby's face. It's so sad.

Lots of research out there in support of rear facing. My daughter is almost 3 and still rear-faces.

This story just breaks my heart. I cannot imagine.

Welcome to DU!



I still think it's too dangerous to not be able to see what the child is doing in a rear facing car seat. I just don't like the idea of them.

There may be even some that mount in other ways. It's been a while since my baby days.

Welcome to DU!

One year is the bare minimum to turn them around (prior to that they're at risk of severe spinal injury in even minor accidents while forward facing) but rear facing is safest and should be done until the child is at the rear facing weight or height limit for a convertible seat, which is usually in the 30-35 lb range.

here's one...

http://news.yahoo.com/detective-dad-showed-no-emotion-boy-died-180735816.html

MARIETTA, Ga. (AP) — A Georgia man who police say intentionally killed his toddler son by leaving the boy inside a hot SUV was exchanging nude photos with women the day his son died and had looked at websites that advocated against having children, a detective testified Thursday.

Cobb County Police Detective Phil Stoddard testified at a hearing that evidence showed Justin Ross Harris was practically leading a double life and should not be granted bond. Stoddard described the evidence police have suggesting Harris, who is charged with murder, killed his 22-month-old son Cooper intentionally.

Harris has told police he was supposed to drive his son to day care the morning of June 18 but drove to work without realizing that his son was strapped into a car seat in the back.

Harris was exchanging nude photos with several women, including teenagers, even on the day his son died when he was at work, Stoddard said. In the weeks before the boy's death, the man also had looked at a website that advocated against having children and had done an Internet search for "how to survive in prison," the detective said.

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what they meant by "tip of the iceberg". YIKES.

Sexting underage teens while his son is baking to death in his car, internet searches on how to survive in prison, how long it takes a child to die in a hot car and wanting to live child free. UGH!

>>>THUD<<<

Pompous asshole tried to impress the police with his LE experience- "Alpha bravo, blah blah". I can only imagine they immediately called Home Depot for the videos after listening to that banter.
He crossed paths with someone on his lunch time car check in - and stopped and watched to make sure they did not notice the baby, since they were heading toward his car. At least he's an idiot.

I mean about lingering around his car to keep someone away from noticing the baby.

tiny little lies started immediately- like his son was gurgling when he was already long dead, and then making a long phone call at the scene when cops tried to talk to him , and then lying and saying he wasn't on the phone. The cops saw his erratic behavior right away. Lots of onlookers confirmed it seemed he was acting up a fuss. t the station they watched him being calm, then consciously trying to sort of hyperventilate.

...that hopes any advice on "how to survive in prison" fails him.

I don't think I've despised a criminal more than this guy.

I think they should lock him in a car on a sunny day, monitor his vitals, and pull him out before he dies so they can do the same thing every single day of his sentence.

they had two insurance policies out on the little boy.

Those types of policies are very routinely strongly marketed to working class families.

All the other stuff is damning as hell though.

I'm thinking there may be strong autopsy evidence that the child may have still been alive when he went back at lunch.

They can pretty closely tell time of death when they know precisely when a meal was eaten.

Can you imagine if the child was screaming and he closed the door and walked away?

.... good lord..... jjeeeeez. ussss.


:stunned:

something like around $25,000 or so. I don't think money had anything to do with it.

couple of grand per month in day care, they might have thought- down payment (insurance) , mortgage (or daycare?)..... Kid or house?

Childfree hate breeders (these people were never parents) like these fuckers intensely. Not wanting to be a parent is not even remotely the same as having a child and then murdering that child in a particularly cruel manner when the child becomes inconvenient and there might be some money in it.

I think that is where they say he was reading or posting.

I'd say that by and large it's a mostly overlooked outgrowth of feminism (most self-proclaimed "childfree" people are women who've decided to reject the expected social role of wife and mother). NB that /r/childfree on Reddit is now private and approved access only (probably due to controversy over this fuckwit).

can be intense. I am so grateful my parents never did that to me, because I always knew I didn't want it.
But god knows, everyone else tries to convince you it's the best thing ever.

Another happily child free woman here.

Women experience huge pressure to have children - I'm 49 and am still told I'll change my mind. Every CF group I've ever been part of supports other childfree people. We don't recruit; we don't care if anyone else has kids but we don't want to be told that we're selfish, or we'll regret not having any, or we owe our parents grandchildren, etc etc etc.

This guy reminds me of Scott Peterson -- the "loving husband" etc who was anything but when the evidence came out. This "father" "forgot" his son in the car literally minutes after feeding him at a fast food restaurant (right), and then he spent part of his workday texting pictures of his man parts to different women, including (allegedly) minors. Barf.

That's not much but might have been the icing on this psycho's cake for off'ing his little child.

But what happened to poor little Cooper is the definition of pure evil.

Hearing was today...

https://gma.yahoo.com/dad-charged-toddlers-hot-car-death-sexting-while-192108890--abc-news-topstories.html

Stoddard testified that before the boy died, Harris had visited the website Reddit to search for articles on life without children, and viewed videos on Reddit that showed people dying -- by suicide or execution, in some cases.

Harris had also twice viewed a video that shows the painful death of animals left in hot cars, and had searched for how to survive in prison, according to searches of his laptop, Stoddard said.

The detective said both Harris and his wife, Leanna Harris, seemed unemotional after learning their son died. Harris never called 911 after finding the boy unresponsive in his SUV on June 18, Stoddard said.

The detective also raised some points about the wife's behavior in his testimony. He said that employees at the day care center said that when she went to pick up her son and was told her husband hadn't drop off Cooper that morning, she said moments later, "Ross must have left him in the car."

{bold emphasis mine}

LOTS more at link!

Unbelievable.

I was disgusted with her.

I can't find anything about the wife. God, this case is just awful.

It's been on HLN and CNN all day.

I found the one that shows him sitting there looking stupid, but not one that shows her

That's the only one I've found so far.

I saw her chewing gum and looking like she was daydreaming somewhere else. I didn't know about her yelling at the judge though. Gads! I'm starting to wonder which one is more of a nutcase... or which one is more sinister.

and did she call her husband IMMEDIATELY after and race towards her husband's job? If not, lock her ass up too!

today she complained the judge didn't give him bail. She didn't look shocked he had been sending penis pics to teenagers all day either.

she had something to do with it. I'll be very surprised is she isn't also charged. It seems like it would be a whole lot harder to get enough evidence on her though.

Judge refuses bond. Possible death penalty case.

If the DA goes for 1st degree plus death, I hope he pleads down to life by ratting out his wife.

He's pleading not guilty. Still claiming he just "forgot" the kid all day. If he ratted on his wife he'd have to admit to conspiring with her, and he killed him.

Unless they have more direct evidence come out, they'd probably prefer to get her testimony.

Perhaps they were eager to have a wedding, but not nearly so ready to be married parents..

It's too bad that society shames young people who give up their kids..

Freaks like these two decide on their own that they preferred the avalanche of sympathy that would come their way over the loss of the child, to the shame that would come their way if they gave up the child neither of them wanted

There are probably millions of people who think having a kid is a great idea..UNTIL they actually have the kid...then abuse/neglect/traumatize them without ever getting caught.

Such a total shame..a cute little boy who deserved loving parents ended up with those two

Why not just give the baby up for adoption??? That adorable little boy would have found a loving home in about one day.

I just don't get it.

Basically, if their lips are moving, they are lying.

convince anyone of anything, as long as he kept talking. The idea that people would remember what he said and tally that against other sources just slid right off his brain, and he was a bright guy, too.

They ad two policies on the kid and loads of debt - fugging narcissistic sociopaths

about him spending his workday texting...

Course, that's the least of his worries at this poing.

how do 2 people just end up agreeing to somethign like this.

most people could not do this to a stranger. or even someone who has done them harm. to torture them to death. but to do it to a little child, your own child ??????????

i hope they arrest her also and put them both in prison for life.

it's possible they put on the perfect couple, good parents act to those around them. also how much do people actually know them ? i can see them purposely doing things for others more than most would usually do just so they can get people to think they were good people and get sympathy after their son died. and this is why people had put up that petition.

there are many people i come across in my life, often when it comes to my job but i wouldn't say i REALLY REALLY know them. but just from the short regular interactions i have i wouldn't think anything negative about them. but as i said, i also don't really know them.

so i'm wondering if those that knew them really knew them.

others. They test people's boundaries and find weak people to exploit and demand complete loyalty once they have them feeling dependent on them. But they are like sharks, only in it for themselves. No empathy whatsoever. If you don;t have what they want, you'd never know. They avoid people who are on to their shit like the plague.
Yeah, I'm talking about you, Aunt Peggy and cousin Maggie!

What am I missing?

Or would want to.

Those two still make the hair on the back of my neck stand up, not a shred of conscience between the two of em.

I can tell you've had experience from your description. BTDT, got the t-shirt. LOL at 'avoid people who are on to their shit like the plague'. YUP.

even if it was an accident why would someone do that ?

if i killed a child or anyone by accident i would not be calling in like that and feeling sorry for myself. but i see that as manipulative also.

i wonder if they will be able to use it against him .

it's hard to see at first, because they will do a lot of things for others too- but it's because they want the loyalty and status that "goodwill" generates. And there is always payback. It's hard to see when you're to close, and there's always this big fiction of how "great" they are. They do not have normal emotions, so they basically calculate their behavior to look good on paper while getting what they want. When you see the cracks in their "act", and their real selves come out, it can be very scary.

2 life insurance policies on this poor little boy. No confirmation on that, but if true, I hope both of them hang. What a horrible death.

When my kids were little and in the car with me, we talked all the time. How could he forget the child?

but drawing and quartering is too good for that fucker.

That poor kid had scratches all over his face, probably self-inflicted.

horrible accident because I can't imagine any parent doing this deliberately, but after reading the thread and the links .......... just omg. Unbelievable cruelty. That poor, sweet little boy.