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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 06:26 AM Jul 2014

Americans Insist on Being Delusional About Racism

http://www.thenation.com/blog/180531/americans-insist-being-delusional-about-racism




The headline to this ThinkProgress story reads “A Black College Student Has The Same Chances Of Getting A Job As A White High School Dropout.” At the same time, this Pew Research Center study shows that 63 percent of Americans believe “Blacks who can’t get ahead are mostly responsible for own condition.”

How do these two things square with each other?

They don’t. But that doesn’t actually matter. Americans aren’t swayed by facts or statistics but by narratives. The narrative we have internalized with regards to racism is one of unimpeached progress. We’ve gone from slavery to Jim Crow to civil rights to a black president without a hitch.

Meanwhile, the thing that black parents across the country have told their children for generations about having to work twice as hard to get the same things that are handed to white people, remains true. Yet 63 percent of Americans choose to believe black people are unambitious, or lazy or incompetent. Racism, the kind that limited opportunities for black Americans, is a thing of the past, we would like to believe.
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Americans Insist on Being Delusional About Racism (Original Post) xchrom Jul 2014 OP
For the most part, Americans are fact-free, because we're exceptional, or something. Scuba Jul 2014 #1
Disagree DustyJoe Jul 2014 #2
Yeah that name-calling is a bitch . . . brush Jul 2014 #3
You are flat out wrong. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #4
LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #6
You point out a very bizarre dynamic here at DU etherealtruth Jul 2014 #16
I wish he was. AverageJoe90 Jul 2014 #19
So ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #20
Yeah ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #5
Of course he won't. He already knows everything. IrishAyes Jul 2014 #9
another case of calling out racism noiretextatique Jul 2014 #13
Yeah, stop calling racism racism, 'cause words hurt and racist are corpora .. er .. people, too..... marble falls Jul 2014 #7
See #9. I don't like repeating myself. IrishAyes Jul 2014 #10
Oh bullshit ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #11
sure...believe that self-serving bullshit noiretextatique Jul 2014 #12
That really hasn't helped, TBH. AverageJoe90 Jul 2014 #17
Americans Insist on Being Delusional About a bunch of shit KG Jul 2014 #8
"Americans aren’t swayed by facts or statistics but by narratives" etherealtruth Jul 2014 #14
"but there is a sizable minority of racism deniers" Actually.....No there isn't. Not here, anyway. AverageJoe90 Jul 2014 #18
And ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #21
the disconnect is staggering noiretextatique Jul 2014 #15
 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
1. For the most part, Americans are fact-free, because we're exceptional, or something.
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 07:39 AM
Jul 2014

Racism clearly alive and thriving here in Wisconsin.

DustyJoe

(849 posts)
2. Disagree
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 08:11 AM
Jul 2014

I think the over saturation of being called racist by everyone for every thought and constantly hearing the litany of "you're priveleged" has finally resulted in the tuning out of the words racist and racism. At some point people when saturated with daily name calling and villification especially when they don't consider their deeds or actions to justify the tirades just plain tune it out.

brush

(53,815 posts)
3. Yeah that name-calling is a bitch . . .
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 08:30 AM
Jul 2014

just think what the people that really get called the names feel — like n_ _ _ _ r?

Or the ones that drive or even walk while black or brown.

Yeah it's tough being that privileged.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
4. You are flat out wrong.
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 08:37 AM
Jul 2014

If you are on the receiving end, being called racist, there is probably a reason for that.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
6. LOL ...
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 08:50 AM
Jul 2014

Clearly, being called a racist is far worse than doing/saying racist stuff.

I guess someone is just pining for the good old liberal days where MY words/actions were more important than how you were affected by them.

Wait ...

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
19. I wish he was.
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 05:04 PM
Jul 2014

Unfortunately, some people really do take things too far. I know for a fact that I've been on the receiving end of false accusations on occasion(speaking more in a general sense though it's happened here a couple of times, unfortunately) and let me tell you, it's not fun to have to deal with that.



 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
20. So ...
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 10:14 PM
Jul 2014

Rather than pause to consider why you may have been on the receiving end of the claim, you just play the victim. Right?

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
5. Yeah ...
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 08:41 AM
Jul 2014

It's those people making me be racist!

"I had to beat her! she kept calling me a woman beater because I beat her."

Come on, nowww ...

I really hope you will read this:

http://immasmartypants.blogspot.com/2013/12/how-white-liberals-shut-down.html

and follow the embedded links ... but I know you won't.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
9. Of course he won't. He already knows everything.
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 08:55 AM
Jul 2014

Wouldn't everyone's life be ever so much better if people would just keep whistling past the graveyard the way 'polite' society has always demanded? If nobody says anything about it, nothing exists.

marble falls

(57,145 posts)
7. Yeah, stop calling racism racism, 'cause words hurt and racist are corpora .. er .. people, too.....
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 08:52 AM
Jul 2014

Don't you think that racists and racism is a bigger problem than how hurt racists are by being called out on it?????? Tirade????????? Pooooooor little racists. I have white privilege and I didn't have to do anything to get it. The only time it sort of disappears is if I am in the company of a minority.

Just for the fun of it. Google "racist attacks on blacks" or "racist white attacks on blacks". Use any search engine you want.

Do you think these results make sense?

ismnotwasm

(41,998 posts)
11. Oh bullshit
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 09:00 AM
Jul 2014

If anyone is "tuning out" racism because of being confronted with the truth of it-- it simply proves the point of the article.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
17. That really hasn't helped, TBH.
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 04:58 PM
Jul 2014

Though, to be honest, I honestly feel that much of this most recent fringe-left extremism actually has its roots in the discontent over the Bush v. Gore debacle and the eight years of tragedy and bullshitting that followed.....including the rather strong resurgence of the hard-right in mainstream politics(which seems to have peaked with the Tea Party).....and made worse by the GOP's insistent blocking of just about every damn thing Obama has wanted to do or try, not to mention the "Marxust Kenyun" and "secret Islamofascist jihadi who hates white people" nonsense on top of that.

To be fair, it certainly doesn't excuse things like Suey Park's Twitter meltdown, or the assholish attacks on Ani DiFranco over that concert last year, for damn sure. But again, this didn't all just start overnight. Every problem has a root cause.







etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
14. "Americans aren’t swayed by facts or statistics but by narratives"
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 04:31 PM
Jul 2014

We can look to our "own' space here at DU to see just how true that is . Certainly not most of DU, but there is a sizable minority of racism deniers. Coincidentally, they often are the sexism denier's, as well.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
18. "but there is a sizable minority of racism deniers" Actually.....No there isn't. Not here, anyway.
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 05:01 PM
Jul 2014

Of course, it depends on what your definition of "denial" is in that regard.....if we go by the commonly accepted(amongst all ethnicities, btw, not just "white" people)definition, then such people are rarer than hen's teeth on DU.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
15. the disconnect is staggering
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 04:32 PM
Jul 2014

I remember a nightline or 20/20 segment about racism. Same stupid crap about black people being lazy or on welfare, etc. Then the group of white people were asked how much money they would need if they woke up black. All of them said they would need millions...because of racism. The disconnect is staggering.

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