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stopbush

(24,396 posts)
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 02:28 AM Apr 2012

The Current Wars On Science and Women Are Entirely Christian Initiatives

That's what's behind these knuckle-dragging efforts - religious belief, specifically, Christian beliefs, and more specifically, the fundamentalist ilk of Christian beliefs.

Let's be honest about it. Maybe then we can do something about it.

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The Current Wars On Science and Women Are Entirely Christian Initiatives (Original Post) stopbush Apr 2012 OP
Most of the climate change denial comes from the energy industries. dimbear Apr 2012 #1
Fat chance. elleng Apr 2012 #2
the problem is that KT2000 Apr 2012 #3
That's right longship Apr 2012 #4
I suspect there is much more to this than simple belief. Ford_Prefect Apr 2012 #5
The religious right are merely very useful idiots, follow the money HereSince1628 Apr 2012 #6
Fundamentalist religious beliefs make an easy tool to control the way people think on other subjects Fumesucker Apr 2012 #8
+1000 MANative Apr 2012 #14
I get the environmental stuff Iris Apr 2012 #17
I disagree quaker bill Apr 2012 #7
Women control 85% of the household spending in America.. Fumesucker Apr 2012 #9
My first wife controlled about 300% of it! jberryhill Apr 2012 #19
I wish we would honestly call the fundies the domestic terrorists that they are. libtodeath Apr 2012 #10
I've seen the war on science being prosecuted right here on DU. Codeine Apr 2012 #11
Well, yeah.. Fumesucker Apr 2012 #15
Good point. nt Codeine Apr 2012 #16
The current assault on science was begun by corporate interests. mmonk Apr 2012 #12
The recent attack on contraception has been brought to us by the Catholic Church. PassingFair Apr 2012 #13
K&R from one Christian who agrees with you. I hate it but it is true. jwirr Apr 2012 #18
I think it's religious beliefs coupled with republicans who Liquorice Apr 2012 #20
Nope - even Richard Dawkins is part of the War on Women bananas Apr 2012 #21

dimbear

(6,271 posts)
1. Most of the climate change denial comes from the energy industries.
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 02:31 AM
Apr 2012

The idea is to keep from controlling carbon. The religionists are useful dupes only for that part of it.

KT2000

(20,588 posts)
3. the problem is that
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 03:51 AM
Apr 2012

religious belief does not respond to things like logic, compassion - or anything other than their own religious belief. It is a brick wall.

longship

(40,416 posts)
4. That's right
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 05:01 AM
Apr 2012

They play the faith card -- they just have to believe.

From my standpoint that is a cheat, in Dennett's words, an exclusionary move. We don't have to take anybody serious when they play that card.

What's worse is the claim of authority of a holy book. That's just a pack of outright lies, as anybody with an even cursory knowledge of the Bible could tell you.

Ford_Prefect

(7,921 posts)
5. I suspect there is much more to this than simple belief.
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 05:33 AM
Apr 2012

ALEC and other similar sources of conservative political funding are not only driven by religious belief. They appear to have larger economic agendas. The attack on Environmental Science has been well documented as conceived and run by the Oil interests. The recent attacks on Women's rights have been coordinated, well funded and persistent. I suggest they have similar sources for similar reasons. There is an over all process of redacting the economic and political gains resulting from the New Deal and the Great Society initiatives being run by ALEC, Karl Rove and other Neo-Conservatives. In practice they have resorted to many versions of the same old fascist dogma: initiate hate and fear among voters by any means available. The coordinated legislative attacks on reproductive rights make no sense in any other context. They do not represent any majority view regardless of political affiliation.

It is the political equivalent of starting many wildfires over a large area. Each fire requires energy and resources to put it out. When you are engaged in fighting those wildfires you cannot devote time and energy to other issues. It also creates the false impression of a widespread majority where none really exists. The point of these programmed attacks is to divide and exhaust progressive political forces and to generate political conflict. It amounts to political terrorism.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
8. Fundamentalist religious beliefs make an easy tool to control the way people think on other subjects
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 07:21 AM
Apr 2012

If people already are proud of believing irrational and unprovable things then they are primed for further irrational and unprovable beliefs, all it takes is a constant dogwhistle of propaganda tuned to the particular frequency that they hear.






Iris

(15,669 posts)
17. I get the environmental stuff
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 10:32 PM
Apr 2012

I mean, obviously, they don't want to clean up their pollution. But what do they gain economically from attacking women in this manner?

quaker bill

(8,224 posts)
7. I disagree
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 07:17 AM
Apr 2012

Sure, some brands of fundamentalism are wrapped around this axle. I think the war on women perhaps sources more from the fundy camp than the war on science as there is little economic incentive for it.

The war on science is fundamentally economic in origin. Protecting the environment has costs, and businesses do not want to pay them. They have managed to sell this to some fundys as a religious matter, but it existed as an economic argument first.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
9. Women control 85% of the household spending in America..
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 07:31 AM
Apr 2012
http://www.m2w.biz/fast_facts.php

There are profound economic reasons for the war on women, I know enough fundies to know that a lot of them are *all* about money.

And some marques of fundyism have become so wrapped around the axle that the wheels have fallen off and rolled away.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
11. I've seen the war on science being prosecuted right here on DU.
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 07:45 AM
Apr 2012

Idiotic, anti-scientific beliefs are not the sole province of the Right.

mmonk

(52,589 posts)
12. The current assault on science was begun by corporate interests.
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 08:18 AM
Apr 2012

They created think tanks to deny science in order not to be regulated.

PassingFair

(22,434 posts)
13. The recent attack on contraception has been brought to us by the Catholic Church.
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 08:28 AM
Apr 2012

Last edited Thu Apr 5, 2012, 09:50 AM - Edit history (1)

The bulk of these people are not "fundies".

And this is NOT a new policy for them.

The problem is that they run a great many hospitals
and schools and agencies.

They historically spend much of their time making sure
that women stay in their place of second-class citizenship.

SOMEONE'S got to sacrifice their lives to the family, and
it AIN'T gonna be Dad!

Liquorice

(2,066 posts)
20. I think it's religious beliefs coupled with republicans who
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 02:32 AM
Apr 2012

want to exploit those beliefs for political gain.

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