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SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 03:43 PM Jul 2014

Today there is one less right wing conspirator

Richard Mellon-Scaife knocked on Satan's door & was invited in


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/05/us/richard-mellon-scaife-influential-us-conservative-dies-at-82.html?_r=0

Richard Mellon Scaife, Influential U.S. Conservative, Dies at 82

By ROBERT D. McFADDENJULY 4, 2014



Richard Mellon Scaife, the Pittsburgh philanthropist and reclusive heir to the Mellon banking fortune, whose support for right-wing causes laid the foundations for America’s modern conservative movement and fueled the 1998 impeachment of President Bill Clinton, died on Friday at his home in Pittsburgh. He was 82.

His death was confirmed by his lawyer, H. Yale Gutnick. Mr. Scaife had announced recently in a front-page article in the The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, a newspaper he owned, that he had an untreatable form of cancer.

Decades before David and Charles Koch bankrolled right-wing causes, Mr. Scaife and Joseph Coors, the beer magnate, were the leading financiers of the conservative crusade of the 1970s and ’80s, seeking to reverse the liberal traditions of Franklin D. Roosevelt’s New Deal and Lyndon B. Johnson’s Great Society.

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Today there is one less right wing conspirator (Original Post) SoCalDem Jul 2014 OP
Another billionaire buys the farm. TheCowsCameHome Jul 2014 #1
I really have no sympathy for guys like this, they have caused so much harm to others, to RKP5637 Jul 2014 #2
+1 nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #33
Well, we all have to go sometime, RKP.. this Richard Mellon Scaife lived a long greedy sociopathic Cha Jul 2014 #46
And also someone like Fred Phelps ... spent much of his life, of course, working to make so RKP5637 Jul 2014 #47
Good bye. Good riddance. n/t GoCubsGo Jul 2014 #3
Ditto! SoapBox Jul 2014 #15
All the money in the world won't stop the grim reaper. He can't be bought off..HA!..n/t monmouth3 Jul 2014 #4
I hope Obama winning twice facilitated this departure malaise Jul 2014 #5
I won't dance on his grave sarisataka Jul 2014 #6
I'll piss on his grave PeoViejo Jul 2014 #7
I don't know that he is worthy of respect - certainly not mine Skittles Jul 2014 #8
I don't dance over dead bodies as a matter of principle, but we can't be sure Scaife didn't. freshwest Jul 2014 #9
I can understand not wanting to speak ill, but respect? That has to be earned. MADem Jul 2014 #27
Maybe respect wasn't the word I'm looking for sarisataka Jul 2014 #28
I don't know if people are rejoicing so much as expressing relief that he is gone. MADem Jul 2014 #29
That i can agree with sarisataka Jul 2014 #30
"...whose beliefs and policies did more to fuck over the least of our brethren over the last several nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #34
Death doesn't confer sainthood Warpy Jul 2014 #49
Good riddance! conservaphobe Jul 2014 #10
Countdown until CTers say HRC had him murdered. Even if he had an untreatable form of cancer, freshwest Jul 2014 #11
David Koch sponsors shows on PBS. Hoppy Jul 2014 #22
+1,000! freshwest Jul 2014 #23
I remember when they dumped Bill Moyers to put on some shitty Wall Street show. MADem Jul 2014 #35
I remember when the oil interests censored an ATV/WGBH produced show critical of Saudi Arabia... freshwest Jul 2014 #36
Get it while you can! MADem Jul 2014 #37
Great! What was the regional reaction to the actual events and the film? freshwest Jul 2014 #38
I was in Persia (Iran) when it happened. MADem Jul 2014 #40
Amass all that you can, yourmovemonkey Jul 2014 #12
Good bye, you POS. Rot in hell along with Maggie Thatcher! Unrepentant Fenian Jul 2014 #13
And their top salesman, Mr.Bill Jul 2014 #16
Good riddance gopiscrap Jul 2014 #14
I wouldn't miss that crazy old media mogul from Australia either. rickyhall Jul 2014 #17
I don't give a damn. defacto7 Jul 2014 #18
Wouldn't it be ironic if... ReRe Jul 2014 #24
LOL defacto7 Jul 2014 #25
May he rest in Hell. nt valerief Jul 2014 #19
PRAISE JESUS! Hoppy Jul 2014 #20
There were only two pallbearers at the funeral Snake Plissken Jul 2014 #21
We've achieved our independence from one oppressor on a rather fitting day. MADem Jul 2014 #26
Good! Jamastiene Jul 2014 #31
babs and pat robertson are still alive, so only 1/3 done this year my mythical devil snooper2 Jul 2014 #32
Roasting with Reagan cordelia Jul 2014 #39
SoCalDem, I'm the person who "alerted" on this post Personal Damon Jul 2014 #41
Hey.. no problem here SoCalDem Jul 2014 #43
Golly gee willikers... MADem Jul 2014 #44
Why do you want to punish the thread starter for the behavior of the respondents? MADem Jul 2014 #45
If deaths really come in threes BuelahWitch Jul 2014 #42
Problem is that his funds still exist and probably continue with a life of their own... jimlup Jul 2014 #48

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
2. I really have no sympathy for guys like this, they have caused so much harm to others, to
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 04:06 PM
Jul 2014

them I say good riddance.

Cha

(297,496 posts)
46. Well, we all have to go sometime, RKP.. this Richard Mellon Scaife lived a long greedy sociopathic
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 02:47 AM
Jul 2014

life. It was just time for him to go. What's sad is the way he lived his life.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
47. And also someone like Fred Phelps ... spent much of his life, of course, working to make so
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 09:46 AM
Jul 2014

many people miserable for absolutely no reason. Fortunately assholes eventually die, sadly, so do good people. The former spend their lives in a truly hateful manner trying to instill so much hatred in so many people. Always, a WTF to me ... as well as, why anyone listens to them ... often more concerning than the individuals themselves, are those that follow them and embrace their ideologies of sociopathic hatred.

sarisataka

(18,733 posts)
6. I won't dance on his grave
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 04:48 PM
Jul 2014

Even the most vile person is worthy of a modicum of respect.
I will note that now he knows what lies on the other side of death's door and, as I believe, has to answer for his life.

All of his money and influence bought him not one more second. In the end we're all worm food.

Skittles

(153,174 posts)
8. I don't know that he is worthy of respect - certainly not mine
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 05:24 PM
Jul 2014

I generally do not grave dance because even the most vile, disgusting people can have family and friends who love them - I guess it is them to whom I show respect

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
9. I don't dance over dead bodies as a matter of principle, but we can't be sure Scaife didn't.
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 05:29 PM
Jul 2014
Conservatives have cost the lives of innocent millions who never did them any harm. In their warped minds, their crime was that they dared to exist.

And I don't believe there is a tidy way of making one's case after death to a deity. Or there will be understanding at that point... the end result, if there really is an 'end' is instanteous, and built from our actions.

I believe what you are in life, is what you will always be, with no excuses for them or me.*

JMHO.

*Apology for the rhyme, the words just came out that way.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
27. I can understand not wanting to speak ill, but respect? That has to be earned.
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 07:31 PM
Jul 2014

He never earned it.

And pointing out that a person was a vicious, nasty, exclusionary asshole whose beliefs and policies did more to fuck over the least of our brethren over the last several decades isn't speaking ill of him, either.

It's simply speaking accurately about him.

If he were worried about his legacy, he would have done more to burnish it--not play the greedy gus to his last breath on earth.

sarisataka

(18,733 posts)
28. Maybe respect wasn't the word I'm looking for
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 07:39 PM
Jul 2014

Instead of rejoicing the death of a bad person it is mourning the loss to us all had he contributed to improve lives rather than to limit people

MADem

(135,425 posts)
29. I don't know if people are rejoicing so much as expressing relief that he is gone.
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 07:42 PM
Jul 2014

He can't hurt us any more!!!!!

sarisataka

(18,733 posts)
30. That i can agree with
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 07:46 PM
Jul 2014

By no means do I intend to whitewash his actions. Death does not suddenly make an awful life good

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
34. "...whose beliefs and policies did more to fuck over the least of our brethren over the last several
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 08:03 PM
Jul 2014

decades."

This applies to so many people who should not be mourned by anyone, save perhaps close family (at most).

Warpy

(111,318 posts)
49. Death doesn't confer sainthood
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 01:41 PM
Jul 2014

and he was a bad man who did a lot of damage to this country.

Taking a dump on his grave is too good for the man who lies there.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
11. Countdown until CTers say HRC had him murdered. Even if he had an untreatable form of cancer,
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 05:34 PM
Jul 2014

he was just like many conservatives, malignant and dishonest.

Just think, he sponsored many shows on PBS. I don't remember what they were, but that does not mean anything in comparison to his work to destroy the New Deal, the Commons and America.

My condolences to his family who are clueless, no doubt about what this man's actions did.

 

Hoppy

(3,595 posts)
22. David Koch sponsors shows on PBS.
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 06:47 PM
Jul 2014

He's still a piece of human fecal matter (shit, for you Republican lurkers).

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
36. I remember when the oil interests censored an ATV/WGBH produced show critical of Saudi Arabia...
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 09:30 PM
Jul 2014
Death of a Princess is a British 1980 drama-documentary, produced by ATV, produced in cooperation with WGBH in the United States. The drama is based on the true story of Princess Masha'il, a young Saudi Arabian princess and her lover who had been publicly executed for adultery. The documentary's depiction of the customs of Saudi Arabia led many governments to oppose its broadcast, under threat of damaging trade ramifications.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_a_Princess

Whatever the merits of the film, since Mobil was a prominent sponsor of PBS and objected, it was never shown in my city. It had been advertised in advance but replaced at the last moment. The complaints weren't based on Islamophobia, but on the censoring of our 'public' broadcast stations. The heavy hand of corporate influence goes back before Moyer.

Just sayin'

MADem

(135,425 posts)
37. Get it while you can!
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 11:09 PM
Jul 2014


I was in the region when this happened, and abroad when they were airing the docudrama in USA. I do remember this incident.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
40. I was in Persia (Iran) when it happened.
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 11:51 PM
Jul 2014

Of course, the attitude there amongst the middle and upper classes was "We'd never do anything so barbaric as that! They are living in the past, what animals, they have no couth or sophistication!" The poorer types hewed more closely to the fundamentalist attitude; yep, she shamed the fam and that was that. A bit rough, but "Oh well."

Mind you, there was the death penalty in Iran even back then. They did have the rare public execution, and by public, I mean you could just walk up and watch the events unfold. I came upon one once and turned on my heel and left before I saw anything. Back then, they actually used a gallows, it was rarer, so thus, a much bigger deal, and they'd build the gallows and have a ceremony--now, they hang so many people so often that they use a crane instead, and they drive the crane from village to village, so everyone in town doesn't have to travel to see the "offender" get theirs.

When I was in Iran, there were no hangings for crimes of "sins of the flesh"--murder, though, that might get you the noose. There were political prisoners too (I think there are more nowadays, though). Now, they'll hang kids for being gay and they'll hang young teen girls for being the victims of sexual abuse.

Of course, if some jerk thought the family name had been dishonored, that could be problematic for the troublemaker in the equation, but that was a private matter, pretty much. A lot of problems can be solved with money, too. Also, Iran (a few other countries, too with shia populations) has these weird muta "temporary marriages" (a way to get around prostitution, basically) and money and one of those agreements could serve to make a lot of problems go away. No muta in Sunni Islam, though...a muta might have saved that poor Princess Misha's life. She'd probably have needed to emigrate eventually, but I'll bet she wouldn't have minded. I heard that the actual story was that this was a family/honor event, not a state sanctioned one, but I don't know for sure. I've fired up the film and I've started watching it--I'd heard about it but never seen it before now.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
24. Wouldn't it be ironic if...
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 07:05 PM
Jul 2014

... his family donated his plunder to progressive Democratic candidates?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
26. We've achieved our independence from one oppressor on a rather fitting day.
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 07:27 PM
Jul 2014

What an ignominious legacy that man created for himself.

 

Personal Damon

(64 posts)
41. SoCalDem, I'm the person who "alerted" on this post
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 12:25 AM
Jul 2014

My Irish-Canadian ass feels the necessity to inform you of that fact. I feel sad that Democrats are now engaging in the same type of grave-dancing that Republicans have been disgustingly displaying for decades.

Now, I guess, you can "alert" on me if you wish. I just felt that it was important to be honest with you. Good night.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
44. Golly gee willikers...
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 02:34 AM
Jul 2014

I didn't see any "grave dancing" in your OP. You stated a few blunt truths, and you stuck to the facts at hand.

Perhaps the alerter should realize that the thread starter isn't responsible for the responses to his or her post.

I guess it helps for newcomers to read the TOS, or something.

Anyway, I don't think you were out of line at all. JMO. Apparently a jury is of the same view because this thread is still churning along.

I'm sure the crowd that checks in come morning, who missed their "DU experience" owing to the holiday, will be interested to read the news you've so thoughtfully posted.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
45. Why do you want to punish the thread starter for the behavior of the respondents?
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 02:37 AM
Jul 2014

You do realize that getting a thread hidden has consequences? It's not something to be done lightly just because you don't happen to care for the way the discussion is going.

You might want to review the TOS. That was a very bad decision on your part to alert on this thread. I'm glad your effort to shut this informative thread down didn't succeed.

BuelahWitch

(9,083 posts)
42. If deaths really come in threes
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 12:28 AM
Jul 2014

It would be nice if Chuck and Dave Koch joined their millionaire pal in hell...

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
48. Problem is that his funds still exist and probably continue with a life of their own...
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 12:31 PM
Jul 2014

His heirs and his institutions don't die - unfortunately.

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