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global1

(25,263 posts)
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 11:47 PM Jul 2014

So I Guess It's Time For The Statue Of Liberty To Come Down.....

Remember when this meant something:

“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.”

What happened to us?

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NanceGreggs

(27,817 posts)
2. Don't make the mistake ...
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 12:00 AM
Jul 2014

... of confusing "them" with "us".

The message conveyed by Emma Lazarus's eloquent words still stirs the hearts of many, and the warmth of its welcoming spirit is neither diminished nor forgotten.

Those who now choose to dismiss that message are not part of "us" - and never will be.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
3. We were 'assholes' back then, too. That poem is a bit hyperbolic if you're going to talk about
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 12:02 AM
Jul 2014

letting EVERYONE in--because we did NOT do that, not by a long shot.

We didn't want all the tired and the poor. If they were sick, a potential burden on the state, or criminals, we sent 'em back.

Only the ones in good health, in a certain age range, who could work when we needed more minimum wage workers, were assured a trot down the gangway. A little old lady coming over had better have had fine strong sons to support her.

This is just what happened at Ellis Island--not the only place immigrants entered USA:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/goldman/peopleevents/e_ellis.html



"The New World's 'Golden Door' was, for some, a place of protracted anguish. While the immigration service efficiently channeled millions through Ellis Island's Main Building, countless others awaited their fates in the hospital and infectious disease wards on the south side of the island. Some recuperated sufficiently to enter America, but others were returned to their homelands."

The Golden Door
Many thousands of immigrants came to know Ellis Island as "detained petitioners to the New World." These determined individuals had crossed oceans, under the burden of fear and persecution, famine and numbing poverty, to make a new life in America. For some, the story ended happily; for others, in prolonged uncertainty about which way the "Golden Door" would swing.

Quick, Fateful Exams
Ellis Island New arrivals were processed quickly. In the Registry Room, Public Health Service doctors looked to see if any of them wheezed, coughed, shuffled or limped. Children were asked their names to make sure they weren't deaf or dumb. Toddlers were taken from their mothers' arms and made to walk. As the line moved forward, doctors had only a few seconds to check each immigrant for sixty symptoms of disease. Of primary concern were cholera, favus (scalp and nail fungus), tuberculosis, insanity, epilepsy, and mental impairments. The disease most feared was trachoma, a highly contagious eye infection that could lead to blindness and death.

Hospital Wards
Once registered, immigrants were free to enter the New World and start their new lives. But if they were sick, they spent days, weeks, months even, in a warren of rooms. Some, like the tuberculosis ward, were open to the sea, where a gentle New York harbor breeze cleansed their lungs, improving their chances. Other rooms were solitary, forlorn places where the illness itself decided when to leave or stay. Most patients in the hospital or Contagious Disease Ward recovered, but some were not so lucky. More than 120,000 immigrants were sent back to their countries of origin, and during the island's half-century of operation more than 3,500 immigrants died there.

Detainees
Ellis Island waylaid certain arrivals, including those likely to become public charges, such as unescorted women and children. Women could not leave Ellis Island with a man not related to them. Other detainees included stowaways, alien seamen, anarchists, Bolsheviks, criminals and those judged to be "immoral." Approximately 20 percent of immigrants inspected at Ellis Island were temporarily detained, half for health reasons and half for legal reasons.



We, as a nation, tend to take in more people from varied backgrounds than other countries, but we've always been picky. We haven't been in the habit of welcoming people in so we can support them--that's just the truth. We've always wanted earners. That PBS special was interesting--a bit heartbreaking, but interesting.

SummerSnow

(12,608 posts)
4. Obama was elected in 2008 and hell broke loose.
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 12:04 AM
Jul 2014

Then he was reelected and hell froze over. So the hate ensued on a grand level.

 

amandabeech

(9,893 posts)
6. A lousy employment market happened to us.
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 12:51 AM
Jul 2014

Yes, it is getting better, but very slowly.

If the job market were going gangbusters and compensation was rising, fewer people would be upset.

People are not as generous as they might be if they are worrying about how to pay for next week's grocery bill. And I can't blame them.

 

amandabeech

(9,893 posts)
9. A good number of them are in their mid-teens.
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 01:44 AM
Jul 2014

They can and will be working. They will compete with the lowest skilled workers who are here legally, and many of those legal workers are black and Hispanic.

I see this every time I go back to my home town. Locals have been displaced by Hispanic immigrant workers. Some employers refuse to hire non-Hispanics. You may not believe it, but it is true and has been going on for several years. Many people are incredibly angry, and the only citizens and legal residents who are benefiting from this are those at the top. That's reality for a lot of people.

I'm not without compassion for these minors, but I also have compassion for people who are already here and have had problems getting by for a long time.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
8. the statue of liberty was dedicated in 1886
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 01:25 AM
Jul 2014

in 1890, US population was 62,979,766

in 2000 it was 281,421,906
in 2010 it was 308,745,531 (9.7% more)
the 2014 estimate is 317,493,212 (2.8% more)

At that rate, it will be 400 million by 2050

You don't think 317 million is just a little bit more crowded than 63 million?

Does that even count the people who are here illegally?

vlakitti

(401 posts)
11. Personally, I'd like to dismantle the Statue of Liberty
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 02:54 AM
Jul 2014

on the grounds it's a lie. Maybe it would shock someone into listening.

Noble sentiments, but nobody has really figured out the disconnent since the 1920s.

So long immigrants were Western European or Germans or whatever, okay, but Italian or Slavic or Jewish, no way.

S. Jay Gould wrote a masterful book on this; discrimination against refugees and immigrants was completely controlled by a racist agenda. Even then.

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