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meegbear

(25,438 posts)
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 07:12 AM Jul 2014

The Rude Pundit: Yes, Everything Is Worse Than It Seems (Part 2: You Will Be Probed)

Yeah, of course, we knew - we always knew, right? - that the National Security Agency and the FBI were spying on American citizens without any cause more than "Name That Sounds Funny" and "Thinks Terrorists Might Be People." Here we go again, again, with documents provided by Edward Snowden that show that five American Muslims were the targets of months of surveillance. This would include Faisal Gill, a Republican who worked for Homeland Security under George W. Bush, and Nihad Awad, the head of the Council on American-Islamic Relations.

Of course, of course, no one in the government is going to confirm the FISA-approved spying, which occurred until 2008, but you know - you always knew, right? - is still going on. Of course, of course, the targets themselves can never be told why they were the subjects of FBI surveillance because that's secret. Maybe their organizations are suspected of supporting terrorists or terrorist-related groups or groups related to groups that might be related, in some vague way, to terrorism. Besides, they know. Surely, they know. Or they wouldn't be targeted by our great and mighty state security apparatus that would never overstep its bounds or behave irrationally. Just ask Mohammed Raghead.

Yeah, see, someone in the intelligence community put out a document in 2005 showing how to format memos for FISA-approved surveillance (or, you know, "surveillance&quot . Under "Identity," the author created a mock name, a little ha-ha joke to show where to put the name. The author could have put "John Doe." He or she could have put "Terrorist Guy," if he or she was feeling perky. No, instead, the author put "Mohammed Raghead." Because of course they did. The Obama administration has promised to investigate to discover who is the spy/D-level comedian.

What's most fun is that if you are in any way associated with someone who is under surveillance, you will get swept up in the net, like we're playing "Six Degrees of Mohammed Raghead." And when they're tossing that fishing net into the vast ocean of the web, it'll pick up everything: &quot M)edical records sent from one family member to another, résumés from job hunters and academic transcripts of schoolchildren. In one photo, a young girl in religious dress beams at a camera outside a mosque. Scores of pictures show infants and toddlers in bathtubs, on swings, sprawled on their backs and kissed by their mothers. In some photos, men show off their physiques. In others, women model lingerie, leaning suggestively into a webcam or striking risque poses in shorts and bikini tops."

The Washington Post got to check these Snowden docs out, and it found a whole spank bank of material being kept by the NSA. Remember: the spooks didn't glance at it and dump it. They archived it. By the way, "The material spans President Obama’s first term, from 2009 to 2012, a period of exponential growth for the NSA’s domestic collection."

It's wearying, innit, dear, sweet lefties, in a quite profound way? Trying our hardest to support President Obama, if for no other reason than those who attack him unceasingly are such worthless dunderheads who have undermined the presidency and the Congress, with the Supreme Court pretty close behind. Goddamn, we prop him up, we attempt to defend him even when his actions are mind-boggling and aggravating.

But then some of us, at least, turn a corner and run smack into the massive expansion of spying under Obama. Sure, we can go back to the old "We knew," the quiescent "So?", the assured "We trust him," the righteous "It's for our safety." But, at the end of the day, or perhaps always and at the beginning, the spying on Americans is far, far worse than it first seemed. And we're probably at the beginning of learning just how many of us and for what thin reasons were watched by our own government.

Maybe we'll be mature enough one day to be trusted to have the debate on how far our leaders can go in undermining privacy for the chimera of security.

http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2014/07/yes-everything-is-worse-than-it-seems_9.html

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The Rude Pundit: Yes, Everything Is Worse Than It Seems (Part 2: You Will Be Probed) (Original Post) meegbear Jul 2014 OP
K&fuckingR.... daleanime Jul 2014 #1
K&R DeSwiss Jul 2014 #2
You have to assume that there's a comprehensive dossier on each of us. Jerry442 Jul 2014 #3
Oh no! whatchamacallit Jul 2014 #4
With our new oligarchy based system its hard to imagine just what might be a future crime. raouldukelives Jul 2014 #5
Let's see, what will be the talking points in response? "Its just a little bit of spying!111!!" riderinthestorm Jul 2014 #6
But where's the probe part? hootinholler Jul 2014 #7
Oh no, the Rude Pundit has ODS! mindwalker_i Jul 2014 #8
kickeroo frylock Jul 2014 #9
But metadata LondonReign2 Jul 2014 #10
k&r Electric Monk Jul 2014 #11
 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
2. K&R
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 08:59 AM
Jul 2014
- And they share our info with their friends:






Don't be embarrassed because you woke up late -- you woke up. That's the thing.....

Jerry442

(1,265 posts)
3. You have to assume that there's a comprehensive dossier on each of us.
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 09:04 AM
Jul 2014

Any action that could conceivably leave an electronic trail is potentially recorded there. This includes driving (license plate readers) and walking down the street (surveillance cams and facial recognition).

It's beyond me how democracy can survive in such an environment.

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
5. With our new oligarchy based system its hard to imagine just what might be a future crime.
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 09:21 AM
Jul 2014

Whatever it is, it'll probably be retroactive.
"Are you now or have you ever been a member of a liberal party? I see here you don't like the idea of drone strikes? Why do you hate America 2.0?"

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
6. Let's see, what will be the talking points in response? "Its just a little bit of spying!111!!"
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 09:44 AM
Jul 2014

Or "Its legal!!111!!!!"

Or "The best computer minds on the face of the planet couldn't figure out how to filter the innocent from those being spied on so they had to collect and keep it all!!111!!!"



The Rude Pundit nails it as usual. A thousand kicks and recs if I could...

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