If he is on the primary ticket he gets my vote. Whoever is the democratic candidate will then get my vote. Some I may support more than others, but it will be a democrat that gets the vote.

I won't vote for Hillary. If its a choice to vote for a Corporatist or a Republican, I'll just abstain. I'm sure there will be many that will say "but the supreme court..." and I agree, however, what those individuals seem to miss is that if Hillary gets to make the nominations for SCOTUS, it will just be more corporatists in that already corporatist heavy court.

Its probably going to be an unpopular choice, but it is mine to make nevertheless.

...who Bill Clinton appointed to the Court? Definitely can't afford to have more people like THAT.....

I'm sure I don't need to go into detail about Hillary's already checkered recent past to paint a picture of the difference.

Thanks!

I think that Goldman-Sachs will be her choice.

and don't let anyone tell you differently. I completely understand your frustration and I will have an exceptionally hard time voting her if HRC is the candidate, that said I will do so only as a vote against whoever the GOP fields. There are other candidates who I will support with donations, HRC will not be among them.

I've been trying to find reasons to vote in favor of HRC if she gets the nomination, but the few reasons I've come up with have fallen apart. What really pushed me over the tipping point in my decision was reading that corporatists want Hillary as the Democratic nominee since she's corporate friendly... that way regardless of if she gets elected or a Republican gets elected, corporations will have the not only the President, but the supreme court more firmly in their back pocket.

I hope Bernie runs... or Warren. I know she said she wasn't running, but I hope she changes her mind.

I believe that I will be doing the same with my Democratic Missouri State House Rep, Keith English. He will most certainly win in this district but will do so without my vote. I find his lack of response to my several emails rather frustrating (even my Senator Blunt responds, it's a canned response, but it's a response) along with his joining the GOP members of the State House to override Governor Nixon's veto of a tax bill. So he can run, he can win, but it's without my participation.

That is a great story about Bernie. K&R

Bernie is one awesome dude, an excellent spokesman for all of us regular folks no matter if some of us are way over here in Oklahoma

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And as an independent or Socialist or Green or whatever, he wouldn't tip the election in just one state like Nader did. He would likely tip six to twelve purple states in Rubio's... I mean the Republican Presidential Candidate's direction.

On edit: Senator Sanders would Never run as a Nader/Spoiler. I was simply speculating what the result would be, based on history, and Bernie's popularity on the left.

He's my Senator. I've met and spoken with him on several occasions. It's just not who he is. You can put your mind at ease about that- unless you have other reasons for doggedly sticking with a false narrative. Bernie has made it clear he won't play a Nader.

He is no Nader.

Democrats in Vermont seem to have a tacit agreement not to put up any serious candidates against him to split the vote in statewide elections in his home state. I think he would return the favor and not split the vote in the presidential.

He does not strike me as someone who would want to be a spoiler and help the Republicans.

I was just speaking to the result, based on history.

Bernie is vastly popular here. Democrats would look foolish. In any case, the VT dem party is far more liberal than the national party and their politics align neatly with Bernie's.

Maybe we should start calling every moderate Republican who run as a Democrat a "Clinton".

I thought that he was the best Republican president we ever had!


well, maybe a bit of truth in that sarcasm though.

Low bar, I know. What could have been.

The Republicans cheated in Florida - and other states too. But especially Florida. They effing stole it! And then they laughed about it!! Whatever was right or wrong about what what Nader did, he did NOT cause us to "lose" the election because we DIDN'T LOSE!

... and not ran in FL, the race would not have been close enough to steal. Good luck with rehabilitating Nader's reputation around here, we've lived with the bitter fruit of his hubris and are not going to forget.

lost when we won.

.... criminals from subverting Democracy. But we can shun those who make their job easier.

responsibility. It's hard work to fix the system and so much easier to blame a scapegoat. I am of course not aiming this comment at you.

...posting. That is a very nice article.

I find it odd that he is considered by himself and others a Socialist, we used to call the values he expresses so clearly - Democratic. Perhaps one day again we shall.

Apparently things like being anti-war and pro-social services have become.... "quaint".

like Bernie out of the party. We are called "far left," if we agree with him on anything. If there is no one like him in the party and the only people who are like him are running as socialist like Kshema Salwant, maybe I am better off socialist. I don't know. I do know that the Michelle Nun types sure as shit don't represent me, and I don't care whether they win or lose. Thankfully I don't live in Ga, so it doesn't matter whether I give a shit.

If Bernie was on the other side I'd vote for him. He's just a plain good guy
I'm just glad he's on this side!

I'd like it if he ran in the primary though. It would be great to see socialism discussed in the media seriously in this country on a national scale.

Debates often sway those who would not be thinking clearly about what's really at stake and where we want our nation to go.

Bernie would make the case for a return to reason and compassion.

I REALLY WANT THIS.

Run, Bernie, run!!!




K&R

I would like very much to see him contest the Democratic Party primary.

It would push the platform to the Left, which is needed.

I've been listening for many years now.

On the radio and now Free Speech TV covers it too.

and ran in the primaries in 2016. Truly. I'd probably vote for him in my own primary in Minnesota, and caucus for him at the state DFL convention that year. Normally, I don't work to become a delegate to our DFL state convention, since it involves traveling and an overnight hotel stay. I really can't afford that, normally. If Sanders runs as a Democrat, though, I'd do that.

That said, I doubt seriously if Bernie Sanders could win enough primaries around the country to become the Democratic candidate. I just don't think he has the name recognition nationwide, and he's older than most successful presidential candidates. But I'd sure as heck support him in the primaries.

I might do the same for Elizabeth Warren, if she can adequately explain being a Republican for many years. Again, though, I don't think she has the ability to win enough primaries to become the nominee.

One thing is certain, though: Whoever ends up being the Democratic nominee will have my vote and my enthusiastic support during the general election campaign. That much I can promise.

I would too, but I'm not holding my breath.

I'll let you guess.....

I was eviscerated for saying that trolls were here with myriad sexist posts and bashing Hillary. In light of the Hobby Lobby decision I have had it up to here.



But members of DU, led by William Pitt, let me know in no uncertain terms that they are the ones who hate Hillary.

So I like Bernie or Elizabeth more but Hillary/Castro is ok too. It's far better than anything I see on the right side of the aisle. I expect this primary season is going to be brutal.

He's a democratic socialist, meaning that he still believes that there should be a democracy, and the government should work for WE THE PEOPLE, not them, the corporations.

Interesting how the printed transcript from NPR calls him a "Democratic socialist".

Democratic socialism has nothing to do with the Democratic party per se; It means strengthening our political democracy and extending democracy into the economy. We are all seeing what happens when major economic decisions are made in private, for private gain, with very public consequences.

Thanks for the thread, Skinner.

works tirelessly and FIGHTS for working people. Not many pols of any stripe you can say that about.

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"The issue for me about being an Independent is not to be somewhere in the middle of an extreme-right-wing Republican Party and a ... middle-of-the-road Democratic Party," he said. "To be an Independent is to try to represent the needs of the vast majority of the people."

Sanders remains coy about whether he'll actually run for president, but if he does, he says, it will be for those voters who aren't being well-represented by either party.

I hope he runs and shakes things up. It's badly needed.

but I would be happy to see him as a running mate of Elizabeth Warren. The perfect UNCORPORATE dreamteam!

I'm toasting..

Happily

I don't say that blithely or lightly. Even others that I have like and agreed with on much, I could never trust that they would take the correct future position. With Bernie, I have seen him consistently get it right.

Run Bernie!

NPR... in this case.... is the exception that proves the rule. ( More often, it's the rule.)

I like Sanders a lot. How he stands by his convictions and stands up, even when he's bucking his own caucus, for what's the right thing to be done.

The article gave him the recognition he deserves for his exhausting work for the people of this country. That they did that gives me hope we may yet see even more out Bernie Sanders in our future. Every time a politician like him does well it encourages others to follow in their footsteps. Imagine what this country could be like if we had more Bernie Sanders? Yeah, the thought made you smile didn't it? I know it makes me smile.

It's simple:

I am a liberal Democrat. Bernie Sanders is a Socialist Independent Senator.

The Democratic Party is progressive but, it is not a socialist party. While Sanders caucuses with the Democrats in the Senate, he has never changed his party identification. Now he wants to run, as a socialist, in our party's primary. I will not support him. I think it is harmful for our party to associate with avowed radical socialists and I personally prefer candidates who have paid their dues within our party. In 2016, I will be proudly supporting the next President of the United States, Hillary Clinton.

Please tell me which policy Sanders espouses that you feel is too "radical" for our Party, because from where I stand, he's very much in alignment with what the Democratic party used to be... and what it should be.

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or Lincoln Chaffee. Then they don't have to pay any dues to be more worthy of support than long time Democrats! Right?

I have never voted for a Republican. Although I am a Liberal, I would not support a fellow liberal or so called moderate Republican. Anyone who would associate with the Republican Party or help them obtain a majority is not my type of candidate.

Crist has, and he has displaced long time party members in primaries, with lots of support form Clintonists.

Apparently you know nothing about Bernie Sanders. The policies he advocates are mainstream centrist based on polling on the issues. I have never heard anyone on DU make such a claim about Bernie Sanders.

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Randy Meade, a dairy farmer, is a gun owner, thinks gay marriage is immoral and says the government should spend a lot less. But he has always voted for Sanders because he says Sanders protects small farmers like him against the larger dairy farms. When milk prices dropped a few years ago, the senator led the push for more government assistance so family farms wouldn't go out of business.

"He's not intimidated by large money," Meade says. "He's not intimidated by well-dressed people with, you know, $2-, $3,000 suits. That's not Bernie. And that's not us either."

He has a very high approval rating- I think it's over 70%.

all power to him.