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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 09:37 AM Jul 2014

GM recalls part that was to be used to fix recalled cars.

General Motors has reportedly identified hundreds of defective ignition-switch kits produced by supplier Delphi.

The parts were built in Mexico and destined for some of the millions of vehicles included in GM's ignition-switch recall. More than 500 kits are said to have included components with broken tabs, though the problem was spotted before any were installed in customer vehicles.

The tabs may have affected the anti-theft systems, but would not have been considered a safety issue, GM spokesman Alan Adler told The Detroit News.

The automaker has been under pressure to hasten production of replacement parts for the recalled vehicles, most of which remain unfixed. The best-case timeline suggests all of the replacement parts will not be installed until October.


Read more: http://www.leftlanenews.com/gm-recalls-defective-kits-containing-replacement-ignition-switches.html

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MineralMan

(146,324 posts)
1. That ignition switch problem could be disastrous for GM
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 09:55 AM
Jul 2014

over the long term. If I were driving a GM car that was subject to the recall, I'd do a very simple thing that would ensure that the switch never got shut off. I'd use just the key in the ignition, without any dangly bits attached to it. That works. It's been in the stories about the switch problem. The switch moves too easily, due to a too short detent plunger. So, your knee hitting a long keychain or other keys can cause it to move to the accessory position. Use the car's key alone, and that won't happen. Problem solved until GM can get around to changing out your switch.

I used to have an old MG. In the owner's manual, it said that heavy keychains could interfere with proper action of the ignition switch. It was recommended to use only the key in the ignition. So, that's what I did.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
2. Same problem happened with one of my cars years ago.
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 10:06 AM
Jul 2014

The whole ignition thingy...switch??- became loose and would not make enough contact with the key to start the car.

Same solution was evident, I got into the habit of using a separate key for driving,

MineralMan

(146,324 posts)
3. GM still needs to make the fix, but getting in touch with
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 10:37 AM
Jul 2014

everyone and telling them what to do in the interim is part of the answer. Replacing an ignition switch isn't easy or cheap, so this is all going to cost GM a few billion bucks. Bummer for them, except that they should have fixed the problem years ago. Their penny-pinching sacrificing of quality is catching up to them.

MineralMan

(146,324 posts)
5. The GM thing has nothing to do with NAFTA.
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 11:32 AM
Jul 2014

It has to do with GM management's complete unconcern about the quality of the vehicles they make. Despite knowing that these switches have been defective in design and manufacture, they ignored the issue and just continued putting the same crap switches in their cars for years.

Had management acted as soon as the problem was identified and changed the switch design, their costs would have been far less in the long run. Instead, they acted to avoid spending far less money to correct the problem with a better switch design or a different manufacturer and buried the issue until people died as a result of their poor quality components.

It's not a labor issue, either. The assembly line workers installed the parts properly on the line. They're not responsible for engineering design or parts sourcing. It is purely a management issue.

GM's management is corrupt, incompetent, and has its eye too close to the immediate bottom line. That's why the paint peeled off GM cars built in the 1980s, not long after the cars were out of warranty. GM knew they were using lousy paint and application of that paint. But, they also knew that the paint wouldn't peel during the warranty period, so they didn't fix the issue.

And it's not just GM, either. It's not just U.S. Manufacturers. It's corporate industries in all areas and types. Short-sighted and not quality-oriented. That's why many of today's products are crap.

It's not NAFTA. The problem is much bigger than that.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
6. My comment centered on NAFTA might have allowed the replacement switches in from Mexico without
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 11:38 AM
Jul 2014

the appropriate QC.

MineralMan

(146,324 posts)
7. The original switches were allowed into those vehicles for years.
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 11:52 AM
Jul 2014

That, despite GM knowing they were poorly designed. GM could have made different choices. The switch design was defective. The detent plungers and springs were too short, and didn't properly hold the switch in the run position. That is a design issue, not a QC issue in manufacturing.

Change the design and build the switches anywhere and they would have been fine. Not a NAFTA issue. It's a design issue that was not corrected for years after it was discovered. GM management is at fault, not NAFTA. NAFTA is a problem, to be sure, but it's not the problem in this case.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
8. I'm not referring to the original switches. I know the background of the story and I'm not
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 12:00 PM
Jul 2014

disputing your recitation of the facts. The OP says the replacement switches came from Mexico. Per the OP --

The parts were built in Mexico and destined for some of the millions of vehicles included in GM's ignition-switch recall. More than 500 kits are said to have included components with broken tabs, though the problem was spotted before any were installed in customer vehicles.

That kinda strikes me as a QC issue.

MineralMan

(146,324 posts)
9. Perhaps. I can't say. Before it can be determined, an investigation
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 12:09 PM
Jul 2014

into why the tabs were broken would be needed. Could be design, again. Could be poor materials used. Could be other things. I don't know. It sounds like they caught this problem early, and I expect that it will be corrected quickly. The switches will still end up being made in Mexico, though. That's where the factory that makes them is.

If GM waited until a new U.S. factory was created and tooling was created, it would be a long time before the original, poorly-designed switches would be replaced. Hobson's choice right now. And that's all because the original, poorly-designed switch remained in use for years after the design flaw was known. That is a management problem. This whole fiasco is a top-down issue.

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