Excellent!

A tip of the hat to you!

The hatred from the Right is blinding them to the greatest POTUS in modern history. A real pity for them.

he is still fighting the civil war, doesn't realize his side lost.

Probably still brushes off his Confederate uniform, waxing nostalgic at the thought of slaves.

In the standard timestamp used on Unix systems, time 0 is midnight on January 1st, 1970 UTC. Throw in a timezone correction and that's usually Dec 31st, 1969. Most likely the database has a 0 in that field for whatever reason.

She is a great lady, and makes a valuable contribution to our forum.

She is lurking though....

Good to know!

Thanks for posting.

obsession.. mad!

To ProSense, Pres. Obama and Cali_D!!!

and appreciate it when posters provide links to back up the info in their posts, it is very helpful, imo.

are just lazy people who maybe just doesnt like to read more than the Twitter 140 charachters- like posts!

What a fucking peach you are!!!!

Who are you to determine if people are lazy or not. Really? I might think it is lazy to sign up on a website and not post almost anything for almost 4.3 years and then start posting non stop 90 days ago, you know that happens but I would not make a post about how lazy they are.

there are those who seem to dislike positive OPs about President Obama and Democrats especially if they are posted by ProSense. There was a time on DU when the provision of links was appreciated and, if lacking, often requested. I think the majority of DUers still appreciate them, I know I do.

louders and haters rules GD's mood..... How sad ...

Its a great way to say "I'm not some whack-a-doodle who thinks his opinion trumps your facts".
That and sometimes you just want to know more about what's going on.

Its good to be informed.

I know I have made use of links others have provided to back up my perspective when needed.

DU is an amazing source of great information

it both helps produce a better understanding of the issue surrounding the facts cited and gives credence to the post, imo.

I am not sure I understand if you are saying you had posts deleted because they didn't have links or that other posts were deleted because of that? I am assuming that happened in DU2?

everyone posting knew the rules - I need to clarify, those were the OPs. Those who wanted to refute had to make links, though, unless they were upfront with it being an opinion.

It made for some good discussions, it's easier to mull things over and debate when it's about facts. People accept or rebut those and you find the grey areas.

But most of that was about a decade ago when the net was really open, IMO. We watched as things got scrubbed during Shrub's term and then the great dumbing down and belligerence that took over after PBO was elected, and by the time the Teapots took over in 2010, it was a lost cause.

DU2 was a breath of fresh air but not so much now. Attacks on Democrats are more virulent and echo the right wing media, but the ones doing them claim that's not where they are coming from. On the other boards, people of different leanings argued from their life, more open and honest.

If a thread supported liberals and Dems, the wingers stayed off of it completely. They didn't have facts to refute. But we went to argue with them on their threads and they responded although they never gave a link, which they had to state was opinion, and not try to make it fact.

It's not been so good here for a while, but I'm here, as there are some good threads. At times the level of discourse is better than elsewhere, at times it is much worse. But DU is so very large compared to some other places and has so many features, it's a real winner technically.

links were expected for sure, I know when I first joined DU I learned very quickly links were a must if you were making statements containing facts otherwise the first response you would get was 'link please' and rightly so.

I hope she comes back soon.

And I love that she gets into the heads of so many of the fringe that post here.



Sid

Well done!

To ProSense~ I always followed your posting! Best information on the board.

Enjoy your R&R...........

and please don't pay a never mind to some of the poop here.

In honor of ProSense...my favorite smilie...



I am laughing with you woman.

I always always appreciate the multiple links you provide with your ops.. It is helpful to have all that backup to read..

I wish I saw you more around these parts. YOU and Pro are among my fave posters.

I would love to see Frenchie come back.

I post more now.. I was out for a period of time a year or two.. I had some health issues last year, and am doing fine now....

You linked to outside sources, as opposed to linking to a DU post that had links to outside sources (or, worse, linking to a DU post that had a link to a DU post that had links to outside sources).

You prefaced each link with a summary of what I could expect to find there. If the point for which you're citing the link is something I already know or find perfectly credible, I don't need to click through. If your summary makes me think, "Wait, what?" then I can click the link for more information.

By contrast, a post that contains a barrage of blue links, some to other posts and most without such a summary, appears to be nothing more than proof by intimidation. It conveys the impression, "You aren't allowed to disagree with me unless you click on all the links and all the links in those links and follow every trail of links to its end and read everything along the way." For me, at least, that style has zero persuasive value.

If ProSense and others would more often follow the style in your OP, I would more often find their posts informative and worth reading.

I'd have to take her off ignore. ..

I had no intention of replying to this thread... figured it wasn't worth the effort. But you've so succinctly described what bothers me about PS posts that i had to respond. It's not that i even disagree with her assumptions/suppositions... it's the circularity of the referencing that irritates me.

Cheers

And from someone who has a history of going at it with her in some of her threads.

For remembering ProSense and thank you, President Obama, for trying to get your job done against incredible headwinds.

I misundeestood this post of u. Going to self delete right now.

...most of us love fact checkers.

You, Cali_Democrat, and Randome, The Magistrate, and many others helped me along in my decision, as well.

But ProSense is the primary reason. I'd come here to read her posts specifically because I'd always come away better informed and ready to strike back at the dark side.

She makes it easy. There have been times when her blue links have won arguments for me.

Omg...I hope she sees that.

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with a President who is doing the best he can with an intransigent Congress. Yes, we have a long way to go toward reducing inequality and providing health care for all. But we have come a long way. Thanks to President Obama, Cali-Democrat, ProSense, and all the posters here who support our democratic party President. Also, thanks to those who push for more. Thanks to all who support and vote for the most progressive candidate in every local, state and federal election!

And ProSense is doing it right. She only posts source links once. If people ignore them and continue to argue the point, she only links to her original post containing the source links. Makes sense to me. If people don't pay attention the first time she goes through the trouble of sourcing, why should she indulge them repeatedly?

Thanks for this succinct explanation of ProSense's style.

Basically we are back to where it was when he took office. The rise in the uninsured tracks the rise in unemployment, and the sustainment of that through the middle at roughly 17% is related to the enduring under employment associated with the economic collapse. It implies that the end result of the ACA is to maintain the original status quo. I suspect the numbers would look much better if all of the states had adopted the medicaid expansion. But the ACA was sold on getting these numbers down into the single digits, rough in the 8% range. I'm not sure that all of that can be explained away by the medicaid expansion.

Just the facts, ma'am, just the facts!

who the hell wouldn't kiss the ground for that sort of blue link bank??
srsly peeps. this is a dem board.
you can argue the party line around her. and then some.
but if you find no value in a clear and consistent, laying out the dem side of EVERY story, in detail, you just might be in the wrong place.

i dont know who you are in meatspace. i hope you make a lot of money at it. i hope you are a lawyer or a lobbyist. you know how to bring the hammer to the bullshit mountains.

you are my hero.

long live prosense.

As some other DUers can corroborate, we've all met on a few occasions and Pro Sense is not only smart as hell, but just as funny, too. But still only one woman

still think the boys should do a du cruise as a funder.
how much fun would that be?

if you think i am one of the people that make up prosense, well, i guess i will take that as a HIGH compliment.

oh for the good old days, tho.
that comment would not have stood.

and ftr, i do happen to know there is ONLY ONE PROSENSE.
and a damn shame that is, too.

from the loyal opposition.

seriously....

ads for Obama.

I like much of what ProSense posted, but there wasn't a whole lot of original writing or thought. It was kind of recitation. Interesting.

I often asked questions like why do you think xyz. I never got answers that were well thought out or showed much depth. ProSense didn't seem to be able to explain why she agreed with the posts she posted. I could never get to know a person behind the posts.

It wasn't a matter of agreeing or disagreeing. I usually agree some and disagree some with everyone on DU. But I just couldn't get a personality to peak through the blue blurbs. I couldn't get a debate or interaction beyond the very superficial.

Very strange.

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losing privacy. But here you are not satisfied with understandinding Prosenses opinions based on what they post. I dont feel like i have a right to know more about a person than they are willing to reveal online....there are many many valid and legitimate reasons not to be an open book online particularly when it is a political site. You know well for example that NO govt employee is allowed to be very involved in politics even entry level and support positions. So we have no idea why some are less forthcoming than others........there are good reasons why some people may wish to remain anonymous.....

Pro is the backbone of DU, AFAIC.

DU wouldn't be DU without the kind of posts ProSense puts up. I wish more posters followed her lead.

"I wish more posters followed her lead."

...I don't know where all the good sites are for news stories like how PS does, plus I don't have the time or patience to get into a bunch of back-and-forths here with posters who may discredit the facts that I post. I usually post just one response to a poster who I disagree with, and that's it.

Hopefully she'll see by this thread that there are many people who appreciate the information she provides. This website is such a great one-stop resource, and she definitely contributes to that. Thank you for your efforts, ProSense!

ProSense after all the ignorant hate fest on the thread asking where she was and hoping she was all right. bunch a little taunting school yard bullies oozing their venom.

ProSense.. thanks for all the intelligent fucking Blue Links ya provide.. here's some more from PS..

President Obama designates Organ Mountains - Desert Peaks National Monument

http://sync.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4982391

If Obama got his way.. Very Scary.. lots of the dreaded blue links! ROFFL

http://sync.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4972225

I wish I'd have clicked on this when I first saw it today now. I thought it was just another fighting post and avoided it.

You channel ProSense quite well C_D! <----- and look at how your initials make a cute face!

K&R!

I've mentioned that many times and no one has ever told me I was wrong; including ProSense and Skinner.

The suggestion up thread to journal your blue link posts is an outstanding suggestions. I hope you can find the time to do that. Your links are invaluable.

Great OP Cali_Democrat!

They made the mistake of choosing Anthem as their insurer.

Then a few months later, they fell and busted their knee cap. Just as the news media had been saying for a little while, the fact you see some physician's smiling face on a photo on a website doesn't mean that person actually honors the insurer (In this case Anthem.)

Long story short - Person who busted their kneecap got screwed over royally. Had to go out of county to get their knee treated. And paid big big bucks, as it turns out there is a five thousand dollar deductible. Oh, and if they had not bothered to be insured, the MediCal insurance could have been applied for at the time of the accident and no expenses what so ever, as the person involved in this is close to indigent.

Anyway, one thing about ProSense, there have been times in their history here on DU, when they post every five to thirty minutes for days on end.

Whatever is in their water, some of us need it occasionally for work projects.