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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Fri Jul 11, 2014, 12:45 PM Jul 2014

Paul Krugman- Who wants a Depression?

One unhappy lesson we’ve learned in recent years is that economics is a far more political subject than we liked to imagine. Well, duh, you may say. But, before the financial crisis, many economists — even, to some extent, yours truly — believed that there was a fairly broad professional consensus on some important issues.

This was especially true of monetary policy. It’s not that many years since the administration of George W. Bush declared that one lesson from the 2001 recession and the recovery that followed was that “aggressive monetary policy can make a recession shorter and milder.” Surely, then, we’d have a bipartisan consensus in favor of even more aggressive monetary policy to fight the far worse slump of 2007 to 2009. Right?

Well, no. I’ve written a number of times about the phenomenon of “sadomonetarism,” the constant demand that the Federal Reserve and other central banks stop trying to boost employment and raise interest rates instead, regardless of circumstances. I’ve suggested that the persistence of this phenomenon has a lot to do with ideology, which, in turn, has a lot to do with class interests. And I still think that’s true.

But I now think that class interests also operate through a cruder, more direct channel. Quite simply, easy-money policies, while they may help the economy as a whole, are directly detrimental to people who get a lot of their income from bonds and other interest-paying assets — and this mainly means the very wealthy, in particular the top 0.01 percent.

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BootinUp

(47,182 posts)
1. Its taken him awhile to put this in the proper framework, imho.
Fri Jul 11, 2014, 01:00 PM
Jul 2014

Most of the time I am surprised at how ahead of the curve he is.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
2. There's another reason- depressions are great times to pick up assets
Fri Jul 11, 2014, 01:05 PM
Jul 2014

Recently, one of the big banks had an assessment that their trading income was way down, and that they needed volatility to increase to bring profits back. Same goes with the rich, they have the cash to buy up houses and companies when the economy tanks, then sell them at a big profit (or just keep and rent the housing out).

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
5. The boom/bust cycle (and the attendant predation during bust times) is not happenstance.
Fri Jul 11, 2014, 01:07 PM
Jul 2014

Call me cynical but IMO it is by design.

Brigid

(17,621 posts)
3. The 1% benefits from economic hard times.
Fri Jul 11, 2014, 01:06 PM
Jul 2014

Lots of desperate workers fighting one another like starving rats over shitjobs. The 1% dreams about this.

Wounded Bear

(58,698 posts)
4. 'Bout time, Doctor K...
Fri Jul 11, 2014, 01:07 PM
Jul 2014

I've kind of suspected as much for a while, and I don't know shit.

It's all part and parcel of the takeover of our government and economic policies by the top 1%. Unfortunately, most of our representation in Congress are top 1%-ers, too. So, in addition to ideology as an obstruction, to fix things they have to vote against what they perceive as their own interests.

Welcome to the 3rd world, America.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
7. I sorta learned the opposite lesson
Fri Jul 11, 2014, 01:17 PM
Jul 2014

“aggressive monetary policy can make a recession shorter and milder.”

I thought the 2001 recovery, of a fairly mild recession, was quite lame. It was a "jobless recovery" for many years, until about 2005.

It seemed pretty clear to me that tight money was better at slowing an economy down than loose money was at speeding an economy up.

Monetary policy is more like "brakes" than it is like an accelerator. Unless your car is rolling down an incline, you don't speed up by taking your foot off the brakes. Easing up on the brakes will not get you up a hill.

For that, you need gas - fiscal policy.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
8. Looser monetary policy has been described as "pushing on a string"
Fri Jul 11, 2014, 11:11 PM
Jul 2014

Sometimes, to switch back to your metaphor, the economy is in a situation equivalent to a car resting on an incline, and relaxing the restriction will produce motion. Other times, however, it's not the string of tight money that's holding back the economy. In those circumstances, pushing on the string has no effect.

It's the same basic concept but the older metaphor has a lower carbon footprint.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
9. OTOH, quantitative easing has pushed stock prices much higher,
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 12:10 AM
Jul 2014

which disproportionately benefits the rich. I think the improvement in unemployment justifies this, however.

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