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Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 09:20 PM Jul 2014

One quarter of Americans don't know the Earth revolves around the sun, study finds

This study was apparently reported out in Feb, 2014, but it is new to me and perhaps to others. It is depressing to see the ignorance in this nation sometimes. Just ignorance of basic concepts. But then there is that legislator who thinks that Earth and Mars are the same temperature.


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/earth-revolves-sun-article-1.1618715

In the survey of more than 2,200 people conducted in 2012, only 74% appeared to know basic astronomy. That means at least 550 people in the study got it wrong — and it's only been 500 years since legendary astronomer and mathematician Copernicus formulated a heliocentric model of the universe that placed the sun at the center.
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One quarter of Americans don't know the Earth revolves around the sun, study finds (Original Post) Skidmore Jul 2014 OP
Well, there's that ol' "American Exceptionalism" talking! calimary Jul 2014 #1
Oh, good one with the "KLAN-liness." 3catwoman3 Jul 2014 #14
+1 well said ! lunasun Jul 2014 #25
Finding religious justification for their racism makes them no better than Christian Identity groups nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #19
KLAN-liness malaise Jul 2014 #49
Instead of "yes we can", their 2016 rallying cry should be "yes we Klan" aint_no_life_nowhere Jul 2014 #50
For real malaise Jul 2014 #55
Needs to be said, Read, and SPREAD!!!! calimary Jul 2014 #58
Remember, 28 percent of 'Merkins thought Bush* was doing a fine job KamaAina Jul 2014 #52
Oh my! redstatebluegirl Jul 2014 #2
... nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #20
And They Are Voting..... Stainless Jul 2014 #27
I would like to know the demographics Jenoch Jul 2014 #3
What's the 'Earth?' onehandle Jul 2014 #4
It's the flat area we live on, IDemo Jul 2014 #8
Four elephants, One Turtle... onehandle Jul 2014 #12
Discworld!! kath Jul 2014 #29
You are a very clever person. But it's turtles all the way down. nt longship Jul 2014 #39
I want to change my sig line to that. LisaLynne Jul 2014 #45
... Enthusiast Jul 2014 #48
Schools teaching to tests liberal N proud Jul 2014 #5
In my neck of the schools teach1st Jul 2014 #23
Agreed. nt littlemissmartypants Jul 2014 #28
That is just so sad! hrmjustin Jul 2014 #6
Home schooled? RKP5637 Jul 2014 #7
You think 26% of the population were home schooled? Mariana Jul 2014 #40
Sorry, didn't think the sarcastic symbol was necessary ... n/t RKP5637 Jul 2014 #41
It's probably even worse Ron Obvious Jul 2014 #9
It would be interesting to give that survey to Congress... HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #10
Same quarter thinks Earth is 5000 years old, LibDemAlways Jul 2014 #11
Median IQ USA = 98. Average 100-110. nt Mnemosyne Jul 2014 #13
...Is that true .... LisaLynne Jul 2014 #46
Of course that is true MattBaggins Jul 2014 #59
In the same study, a larger percentage (33%) of Europeans got this fact wrong . . . Journeyman Jul 2014 #15
Best (and smartest) post on the whole thread. Dr. Strange Jul 2014 #18
There are dumb people, ignorant people, to be found all over the world, Quantess Jul 2014 #31
But many of them don't preen and prance in Teh 'Murcan Awesome Exceptional Divine Superness . . . hatrack Jul 2014 #43
Every country has Nationalists MattBaggins Jul 2014 #60
funny how rarely they mention all that... MisterP Jul 2014 #36
Silly Skidmore, every patriot knows the Universe revolves around America. arcane1 Jul 2014 #16
Exactly - we're so superior that we don't actually have to know anything. polichick Jul 2014 #57
Nothing like knowing 25% of your fellow Americans are 500 years behind the times. Terra Alta Jul 2014 #17
At the time there was some blog that looked at previous versions of this survey. Igel Jul 2014 #21
Gaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwd! sheshe2 Jul 2014 #22
I think my head just exploded at the fact so many people don't know this. n/t deafskeptic Jul 2014 #24
Idiocracy lunasun Jul 2014 #26
This is your brain. littlemissmartypants Jul 2014 #30
Well, not until they google it. defacto7 Jul 2014 #32
A lot of Americans still believe in ghosts, Bigfoot, and UFO's Hugabear Jul 2014 #33
Holy crap its like the "Dark Ages".. Historic NY Jul 2014 #34
And almost half a million bought a new Toyota Camry last year. So? flvegan Jul 2014 #35
Good grief, we learned this in public elementary school in the fifties in the South. We were wrong freshwest Jul 2014 #37
Here's one displaying her ignorance... Ino Jul 2014 #38
and 50% believe any "study" that comes along! whistler162 Jul 2014 #42
I wonder what part of that 25% thinks it "rotates" around the sun? HereSince1628 Jul 2014 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author MineralMan Jul 2014 #47
No snark here JustAnotherGen Jul 2014 #51
Would be interested in seeing what level of education the 26% had and if they could read. dilby Jul 2014 #53
Three quarters of all Americans know the Earth revolves around the sun, study finds kentauros Jul 2014 #54
This is no surprise if you've ever seen "Jay-Walking" on the tonight show. Inkfreak Jul 2014 #56

calimary

(81,322 posts)
1. Well, there's that ol' "American Exceptionalism" talking!
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 09:24 PM
Jul 2014

Last edited Mon Jul 14, 2014, 01:11 PM - Edit history (1)

Exceptionally naive, gullible, stupid, ignorant, and willfully uninformed. PROUDLY uninformed. God told them so, I guess.

Not exactly on topic but this just made me think of something: Instead of "cleanliness is next to godliness," with the GOP it's "KLAN-liness is next to godliness."

3catwoman3

(24,007 posts)
14. Oh, good one with the "KLAN-liness."
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 10:01 PM
Jul 2014

Willful ignorance combined with arrogance is a terrible combination.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
19. Finding religious justification for their racism makes them no better than Christian Identity groups
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 10:16 PM
Jul 2014

(like the Klan). Or the pre-1970's Mormon Church which believed in the Curse of Ham. The contemporary GOP is in truly vile company, and the worst part is they don't even know or care.

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
50. Instead of "yes we can", their 2016 rallying cry should be "yes we Klan"
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 02:21 PM
Jul 2014

Of Tea Party Republicans, that is.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
52. Remember, 28 percent of 'Merkins thought Bush* was doing a fine job
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 02:27 PM
Jul 2014

pretty much the same percentage.

Stainless

(718 posts)
27. And They Are Voting.....
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 11:42 PM
Jul 2014

Republicans are mostly responsible for the lack of support for education which has led to this appalling stupidity.

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
3. I would like to know the demographics
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 09:29 PM
Jul 2014

of those surveyed and those who did not know about the earth orbiting (the earth is always revolving) the sun.

teach1st

(5,935 posts)
23. In my neck of the schools
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 10:42 PM
Jul 2014

Earth revolving around the sun is definitely tested, and we do teach to that.

 

Ron Obvious

(6,261 posts)
9. It's probably even worse
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 09:38 PM
Jul 2014

How many of those 74% that got it right merely guessed correctly?

It ought to be shocking but it just isn't any more. We're profoundly anti-intellectual in this country, but it's hardly unique to the US, I fear.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
10. It would be interesting to give that survey to Congress...
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 09:40 PM
Jul 2014

... and I imagine the results equally disturbing.

LibDemAlways

(15,139 posts)
11. Same quarter thinks Earth is 5000 years old,
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 09:43 PM
Jul 2014

people and dinosaurs co-existed, a guy named Noah built an ark holding two of each species, and a cold day means global warming is a myth. You can't argue with stupid.

MattBaggins

(7,904 posts)
59. Of course that is true
Tue Jul 15, 2014, 08:42 AM
Jul 2014

The IQ test is designed around 100 being average. It is the whole point of the the test.

What isn't being told is that over the years Americans are doing better at the IQ test and it has to be re-normalized every decade.

Journeyman

(15,036 posts)
15. In the same study, a larger percentage (33%) of Europeans got this fact wrong . . .
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 10:01 PM
Jul 2014

so ignorance isn't confined by borders, nor is "American exceptionalism" simply a measure of our failings. . .

http://time.com/7809/1-in-4-americans-thinks-sun-orbits-earth/

And if you follow the link to the survey's release, you'll find that the results are far more encouraging than the simple extraction of a wrong answer implies.

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2014-02/msu-sas021314.php

hatrack

(59,587 posts)
43. But many of them don't preen and prance in Teh 'Murcan Awesome Exceptional Divine Superness . . .
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 08:24 AM
Jul 2014

. . . . while at the same time voting for those who control the nukes and money.

Terra Alta

(5,158 posts)
17. Nothing like knowing 25% of your fellow Americans are 500 years behind the times.
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 10:10 PM
Jul 2014


I'm sure every last one of them is a fundamentalist Christian YEC, who believes in talking snakes and worldwide floods.

Igel

(35,320 posts)
21. At the time there was some blog that looked at previous versions of this survey.
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 10:38 PM
Jul 2014

It's the kind of thing that gets asked every once in a while. Good for shock value. (Our results are higher than most other Western countries. On the other hand, while 10% believing in a geocentric model is better than 25%, it's still not a great boast. "We have fewer village idiots than America!" Big whoop.)

But the blogger didn't just stop by noting that the question had been asked before. He found the results from previous surveys and presented them. (My excellent Google skills didn't turn up the science blog, sorry.)

25% is an improvement over the last time the question was asked a few decades ago. (So when people stop and say, "Ah, the state of modern public education--just imagine, 25% think that the Sun revolves around the Earth!" the appropriate response is, "Yeah, that's not bad considering that just 30 years ago it was over 40%. Public education's gotten a lot better since then, I guess.&quot

The #s were consistent with something like a baseline idiocy rate of perhaps 10% coupled with shoddy science education in previous decades and, at some point before that, less of a need for a high school degree. A lot of the respondents who say "geocentric rules!" were poorly educated or older. Or just very stupid. Of the 75% or so that said "heliocentric," some were clearly correct guesses--and of the 25% or so that said "geocentric" some were transient lapses. In teaching I've slipped up and said it backwards: At some point the mouth keeps running but the brain's moved on to something interesting.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
26. Idiocracy
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 11:41 PM
Jul 2014

For example, only 74 percent of those queried knew that the Earth revolved around the sun, while fewer than half (48 percent) knew that human beings developed from earlier species of animals:

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
32. Well, not until they google it.
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 12:02 AM
Jul 2014

Internet search engines are replacing brains, at least the part that connects reason to memory. They may have heard it once they just can't use their brain to retrieve it and compute it.


(slight sarcasm)

flvegan

(64,409 posts)
35. And almost half a million bought a new Toyota Camry last year. So?
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 12:15 AM
Jul 2014

A stupid lot under a microscope, indeed.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
37. Good grief, we learned this in public elementary school in the fifties in the South. We were wrong
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 12:26 AM
Jul 2014
to believe science would always be accepted.

The great leap backward began with Reagan although Nixon played a major hand, too. It's harder to watch regression and the loss of knowledge than to never have it.

Back then there was an non-stop effort to end illiteracy which was largely based on poverty. Now literacy doesn't mean much anymore:



http://www.11points.com/Books/11_Eye-Opening_Highlights_From_a_Creationist_Science_Textbook

Not satire. That's a real textbook.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
44. I wonder what part of that 25% thinks it "rotates" around the sun?
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 08:32 AM
Jul 2014

My teaching experiences make me suspicious.

Common misunderstanding of words are often revealed at the root of wrong answers.


Response to Skidmore (Original post)

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
51. No snark here
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 02:27 PM
Jul 2014

I'm being serious . . . How many of these people were home schooled under the Gothard method/philosophy?

http://michaelklonsky.blogspot.com/2009/09/republican-gomorrah.html

An authoritarian Christian-right self-help guru named Bill Gothard created the home-schooling regimen implemented by Murray's parents. Like his ally James Dobson, Gothard first grew popular during the 1960s by marketing his program to worried evangelical parents as anti-hippie insurance for adolescent children. Based on the theocratic teachings of R. J. Rushdoony, who devised Christian schools and home-schooling as the foundation of his Dominionist empire, Gothard's Basic Life Principles outlined an all-consuming environment that followers could embrace for the whole of their lives.

According to Ron Henzel, a one-time Gothard follower who coauthored a devastating expose about his former guru called A Matter of Basic Principles, under the rules, "large homeschooling families abstain from television, midwives are more important than doctors, traditional dating is forbidden, unmarried adults are 'under the authority of their parents' and live with them, divorced people can't remarry under any circumstance, and music has hardly changed at all since the late nineteenth century."

At the Charter School for Excellence, a school in South Florida inspired by Gothard's draconian principles that receives $800,000 in state funds each year, children are indoctrinated into a culture of absolute submission to authority almost as soon as they learn to speak. A song that the school's first-graders are required to recite goes as follows:

Obedience is listening attentively,
Obedience will take instructions joyfully,
Obedience heeds wishes of authorities,
Obedience will follow orders instantly.
For when I am busy at my work or play,
And someone calls my name, I'll answer right away!
I'll be ready with a smile to go the extra mile
As soon as I can say "Yes, sir!" "Yes ma am!"
Hup, two, three!


If you are not taught the most basic facts as to how the universe works - and are taught to only believe what the bible tells you, then you aren't going to know this.

Think Charter Schools aren't a problem? Think again.

dilby

(2,273 posts)
53. Would be interested in seeing what level of education the 26% had and if they could read.
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 02:27 PM
Jul 2014

I don't doubt this study at all, there are tons of dumb people in the US, hell I have met two people who have argued with me about Japan being a city in China.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
54. Three quarters of all Americans know the Earth revolves around the sun, study finds
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 02:31 PM
Jul 2014

There. I fixed the headline

Inkfreak

(1,695 posts)
56. This is no surprise if you've ever seen "Jay-Walking" on the tonight show.
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 02:35 PM
Jul 2014

There are people who just don't care to retain some knowledge. I wonder how many of those people polled would laugh it off and say "oh, yea!". Yes, it's something taught early and you SHOULD know. But to some, these things rate low. People are funny.

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