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Lets talk Christian Values (Original Post) sheshe2 Jul 2014 OP
When Jesus helped the people, the Pharisees opposed everything Jesus SummerSnow Jul 2014 #1
Yep, you pretty much nailed that one on the head. rustydog Jul 2014 #2
They don't really abakan Jul 2014 #7
A generation of vipers.... Bluenorthwest Jul 2014 #3
How about if we don't "talk Christian values"? surrealAmerican Jul 2014 #4
We'd love to but "Pharisees" won't STFU rickyhall Jul 2014 #5
Word. cheapdate Jul 2014 #8
As a "non-Christian," I too am impatient with the idea that the ONLY thing ashling Jul 2014 #9
"Christian values" were also invoked to justify both ... surrealAmerican Jul 2014 #10
Oh, you made a Judas joke. But was Judas against contraceptives? If so, he's OK by Republicans. tclambert Jul 2014 #6
Bravo! smirkymonkey Jul 2014 #11

SummerSnow

(12,608 posts)
1. When Jesus helped the people, the Pharisees opposed everything Jesus
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 05:36 PM
Jul 2014

did to help the sick and poor. The Pharisees claimed they were godly people and were following gods law.But Jesus denounced them by their works. This is who the Rethugs are...modern day Pharisees.

rustydog

(9,186 posts)
2. Yep, you pretty much nailed that one on the head.
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 06:02 PM
Jul 2014

But they are so comfortable in their position of power and influence that they do not care that their hypocrisy is glaringly obvious

abakan

(1,819 posts)
7. They don't really
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 08:09 PM
Jul 2014

care about Jesus or what he would do...They use him to beat us to death with their religion...Money.

surrealAmerican

(11,362 posts)
4. How about if we don't "talk Christian values"?
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 06:17 PM
Jul 2014

As a non-Christian in this country, I'm getting pretty impatient with the idea that the only thing that should matter in our politics is how "christian" the policies and statements of our representatives are.

How about rational policies?
How about human values?
Where's the intelligent, long-term planning?

Can't we save the theological issues for church, and argue the political issues on political grounds?

ashling

(25,771 posts)
9. As a "non-Christian," I too am impatient with the idea that the ONLY thing
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 08:27 PM
Jul 2014

that should matter is "Christian Values". I put both of those labels in quotes because they are so tenuous and apt to be defined by the other side - whichever that might be at the time. There is no question at "christian values" were at the heart of the abolition movement that finally ended slavery (I know, there was the matter of this little war). There is no question that "Christian Values" were - and are - very much a part of the civil rights movement that helped to bring an end to - or at least a lull in - Jim Crow. What of "Moral Monday's" in North Carolina.

Religion very much informs our politics because it forms the basis of the belief system of many -if not most - people in this country.

'Tis a conundrum.

surrealAmerican

(11,362 posts)
10. "Christian values" were also invoked to justify both ...
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 08:41 PM
Jul 2014

Last edited Mon Jul 14, 2014, 09:22 PM - Edit history (1)

... slavery and Jim Crow laws. Both sides arguing from the standpoint of Christianity makes policy a question of interpreting ones religious texts and traditions, and ought not take precedence over a question of laws that affect all the citizens of this country.

I'd like to hear people talking about who we are as a nation and what we hope to achieve without religion being front and center. It's probably too much to hope for, but it's important for Christians to remember that they are not the only people that matter, that non-Christians are no less "moral" than they are, and that this is not a theocracy. They are free to worship as they choose, and so is everybody else - even those whose choices differ from theirs.

tclambert

(11,087 posts)
6. Oh, you made a Judas joke. But was Judas against contraceptives? If so, he's OK by Republicans.
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 08:07 PM
Jul 2014

And you know, he was the only disciple smart enough to make a profit on the whole betraying Jesus thing. You gotta respect somebody who figures out a way to profit off an unfortunate situation like that. At least, that's what they teach in business school.

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