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snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 02:44 PM Jul 2014

How much is the Europe to blame for MH17? After all it did next to nothing

when Russia took over Crimea. Putin's thuggery and desire to recreate the USSR is evident to all yet little fuss was made. The lack of real consequence I think emboldened Putin and more importantly emboldened those Russian pigs in Ukraine.

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Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
2. "How much is Europe to blame"? May as well ask "how much is the USA to blame"
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 02:52 PM
Jul 2014

because forcing a potential military confrontation between nuclear-armed opponents is always something that's been avoided since there've been nucelar-armed states. The potential consequences were and are potentially a lot worse than the deaths of a few hundred civilians.

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
3. Are you saying that Russia would resort to nuclear weapons if Europe
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 03:00 PM
Jul 2014

made more than a peep of dissatisfaction?

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
4. Anything more than "a peep of dissatisfaction" would have to be backed up...
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 03:04 PM
Jul 2014

with a credible threat of force. Things like that have the potential to escalate.

And "Europe" is not really a unified entity as such. The most credible response to Russian military action would come through NATO, not "Europe".

randys1

(16,286 posts)
7. How much are the GOP to blame for siding with Putin, since being against him would have
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 03:10 PM
Jul 2014

required they side with Obama and USA

If they didnt side with him on policy they sure as hell made him out to be a tough cowboy while Obama the wimp, when the opposite is what is actually true

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
5. Europe is not at all to blame.
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 03:07 PM
Jul 2014

Whoever launched the missile, whoever ordered it, and whoever financed it--those are the people at fault. We don't yet know who those people are, but it's increasingly sounding like it was Russian backed separatists.

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